Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:PLANS Guangxi (LHD-32)

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Files in Category:PLANS Guangxi (LHD-32)

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The files are various screenshots of Chinese landing helicopter dock Guangxi. While they were published by the China News Service, the watermarks clearly stated that they are authored by CCTV-7. While some of the files were kept because both were run by the Chinese government, it should still be reminded that they are still two distinct entities. The fact that CNS is authorized to publish the video, or the fact that both are controlled under the Chinese government, does not mean that they have the authority to license the file. This is especially true when they might slip some third-party works in their usually CC-licensed contents.

Ultimately, it is argued that the {{CC-BY-3.0}} licenses by CNS is null and void, and the files should be deleted without further permission from CCTV.

廣九直通車 (talk) 08:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So at the end of the day, the question is that: can you CC-license a work that is not created by you (or one that you do not hold copyright)? This is the case for this deletion request.
Previous deletion requests: 1, 2, 3.
@Holly Cheng: as closing administrator.廣九直通車 (talk) 09:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While there have been cases of government-run Flickr accounts releasing photos under free licenses that they were not authorized to, those were all (to my knowledge) photos taken by private photographers. Here, we have one government agency using photos from a different government agency. If the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, I don't think that's our problem. —holly {chat} 17:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion: The videos released by CNS on Youtube are just automatically released with CC BY-SA license, regardless of whether the third-party materials used are actually allowed to use this license. Although CNS and CCTV have the same bigger boss, I don't think their material licenses can be shared. Or what if I use CCTV's original materials (which may not have CC BY-SA license) as the basis for infringement? Therefore, the "unclean" videos released by CNS (including video screenshots) should not be considered CC BY-SA licensed. --Cwek (talk) 01:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the original CCTV video, posted on the "CCTV Military" account on Weibo. [1]。File:两栖攻击舰广西舰训练画面公开-3.png at first. File:两栖攻击舰广西舰训练画面公开-2.png at 00:24. File:两栖攻击舰广西舰训练画面公开-1.png at 01:48. --Cwek (talk) 01:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although Guangxi is very mysterious, there are few images that are publicly available and in compliance with the authorization. After much difficulty, some editors are eager to release them quickly. However, it is better to be careful with such cross-authorized materials. --Cwek (talk) 01:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In short:  Delete. If you are capable, go take photos yourself. Or you can look forward to it being put into service as soon as possible, so that when it passes through Japan and other places, the JSDF and the US Navy will definitely be able to take better photos. --Cwek (talk) 01:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fotgot it. IT has been IN SERVICE, and the JSDF has already taken a photo of it once (and it complies with public copyright license). It is a pity that we have to rely on foreign troops to see its appearance. (doge) --Cwek (talk) 09:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment, I think it's time to end this game. The person who proposed to keep it only stated that China News Service and CCTV have common managers, but could not explain whether they have a copyright license agreement. A similar situation is that the reporting materials of Voice of America are in the public domain, but they also quote third-party materials and do not guarantee that their authorization is also in the public domain.({{PD-USGov-VOA}}) At the same time, I found the original source of this video from CCTV, which can offset the authorization statement of China News Service. In addition, Guangxi already has a picture that complies with copyright authorization (thanks to the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force), and Hainan also contributed many pictures that comply with copyright authorization when visiting Hong Kong. These blurry pictures (whether in terms of copyright authorization or picture quality) should be swept into the trash. --Cwek (talk) 08:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment there is a request to close this on COM:AN. I looked at the above; I'm guessing it should be deleted, but I don't feel confident enough in my knowledge of the copyright policies of various Chinese government entities to close it myself. I would hope a few more admins express an opinion; if we all come down on the same side then I think we can go with that, even if it is largely intuition. - Jmabel ! talk 17:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete: CNS is known to use third-party contents (sometimes without attribution) in their CC BY videos. See also:
Wcam (talk) 15:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --shizhao (talk) 02:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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