Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Medea Statue in Batumi

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Files in Category:Medea Statue in Batumi

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The statue was unveiled on 6 July 2007 (see: en:Medea statue) and there is no Freedom of Panorama in Georgia, thus Commons can't host these files.

User:Armbrust (Local talk - en.Wikipedia talk) 15:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Oppose - I am outraged at the scope of "Freedom of Panorama"-based deletions of Georgia-related photos. At best, the law in question is ambiguous as to whether it refers to private items displayed in public or publicly owned items. This statue, regardless of who authored it, was put in place at the expense of Georgian taxpayers and it sickens me that according to some fastidious commons users, they don't even have the right to take a picture and keep the rights that they would be usually afforded.
  • We don't even know whether this publicly funded project is still held in copyright by the author (which is one requirement in this law) because we don't know what the terms of the project were. The burden of proof to find these terms rests with people who are so eager to delete other people's work.--Permaveli (talk) 21:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment No, per the precautionary principle the burden of proof is on the people, who want an image to be kept. If there is a "significant doubt about the freedom of a particular file it should be deleted." You just made another argument, why the copyright of these images is uncertain. User:Armbrust (Local talk - en.Wikipedia talk) 22:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • The only significant doubt that exists in this case is regarding your assumption that the state would pay millions to erect a statue at the expense of its taxpayers and don't even give them the right to take its pictures and use them as they wish. What gives you the right to make such assumptions? --Permaveli (talk) 22:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't assume anything. If the copyright status of the statue is unclear, than it have to be assumed, that it's copyrighted (highly likely by the artist, who created it). Also the taxpayers can take pictures of it, they just can't use it for commercial purposed per Commons:FOP#Georgia. If you think the statue isn't protected by copyright, than you have to prove that. User:Armbrust (Local talk - en.Wikipedia talk) 22:32, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes you do, you just assumed that the work is copyrighted because you think you are a legal scholar capable of interpreting copyright laws from an obscure place like Georgia, and all that based on your doubts and feelings. I have a significant doubt that the author was just taking a picture of the sky and the statue just happened to be there, is that enough of a reason?--Permaveli (talk) 22:36, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, unless evidence is forthcoming that the statue is not under copyright, rather than just Permaveli vaguely claiming it may not be under copyright. (I am open to keeping the one as per Kober, unless anyone strongly objects.) J Milburn (talk) 23:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: With no positive proof that the statue is not under copyright protection, these images clearly violate our policies. No if's, and's or but's. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 06:43, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Strongest Oppose User:Armbrust can you explain if you are so neutral why do you want to delete only these images and not other thousand of such images from coutries with the same copyright low? I have found some sculpture images from France and Italy (it:[1] [2] [3], fr:[4] [5] [6]) and I stongly believe there are many such images, but as you can see none of them is nominated for deletion, so is it policy of wikimedia or just your personal purpose ? --g. balaxaZeႫ 07:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't understand why all copyrightophils are there in wikipedia, You must understand that in this world there are things with no copyright. Real copyrighter of this statue is Aeëtes (:D) father of medea (at that time already have been patriarchy) and the sculptor of this statue is plagiarist becasue he/she derivatived Aeëtes work. Will You agree to this Nonsense? I think You'll not. This sculpture has no copyrighter, it belongs to all citizen of Georgia.--g. balaxaZeႫ 07:23, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Clearly there is no FOP, and no reliable source to state the statue isn't copyrighted, so default position is that it is, so it must be deleted. — raeky (talk | edits) 12:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Deleted. No freedom of panorama in Georgia. The last one, File:Statues in Batumi.jpg, kept as De minimis. Geagea (talk) 01:56, 5 July 2013 (UTC) Geagea (talk) 01:56, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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