Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Medals of Germany

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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

Files in Category:Medals of Germany

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1. medals which need permission from the engraver


Derivative work of medals. No evidence of permission from the engravers.

Stefan4 (talk) 19:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Referring to File:Verdienstmedaillen der Zollverwaltung der DDR DZM.jpg There's nothing copyrightable at all on this medals. A simple symbol. Keep. Stefan4 should find something useful to do instead of destroying useful parts of Wikimedia Commons that don't do any harm. --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 08:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the medals might be considered "official documents" (de: Amtliche Werke) and are therefore public domain. --Flominator (talk) 15:55, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But don't we know since the Loriot case that only works of literature can be official works and not works of art? -- Liliana-60 (talk) 18:15, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. As explained at Commons:WikiProject Public Domain/German stamps review, {{PD-GermanGov}} may only be used for text, never for images. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


2. medals which need permission from the photographer


See COM:ART#Photograph of an old coin found on the Internet: we need to know who the photographers are and they need to provide a licence. In some cases, the uploaders have self-identified as photographers without providing a licence for their photographs; a licence is needed.

Stefan4 (talk) 19:45, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When a photo of a public domain medal was uploaded by the photographer and only a public domain license is given, I think we can assume that the photographer did not want to retain copyright. So these photographs should be kept. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 10:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{PD-self}} does not exist in Europe. Also, in most of the cases, it is unknown who the photographer is. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{PD-self}} says:
Public domain I, the copyright holder of this work, release this work into the public domain. This applies worldwide.
In some countries this may not be legally possible; if so:
I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.
I think this is exactly what the photographer who uploaded his photo wanted: to release his photo into the public domain or, if that is not possible, to let everyone use his photo without restrictions. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that there is no provision in European law which permits you to terminate the copyright protection to a work. In Europe, {{PD-self}} instead means the things written on the last line in the template, but I believe that any such permission would have to be explicitly declared by the uploader, which none of the uploaders did. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:59, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I declared it meanwhile for my photographs, see above! --Kürschner (talk) 14:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ich schaltete inzwischen meine Rechtsanwälte ein, zwecks Klärung. Es könnte sein, dass Wikipedia die Gesetze falsch interpretierte. --GFHund (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
3. Discussion about the discussion procedure

I suggest to close this deletion request on procedural grounds as a mass deletion request is highly inappropriate in this case. These are medals coming from wildly different sources with varying copyright statutes. Even the deletion reasons are very much different, i.e. questionable copyright status of the medal vs. questionable copyright status of the photograph. Individual deletion requests (possibly in small groups if they obviously share a copyright status) allows us to investigate the cases in more depth. Even if we have actually to delete some of these files, it is always worthwhile to research the copyright status to identify the artist which allows us to determine when one of these files can be possibly undeleted. --AFBorchert (talk) 07:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 07:52, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this was created as two separate nominations (a nomination at the top which discusses medals which need permission from the engraver, and a nomination at the bottom which discusses medals which need permission from the photographer). The only problems are that someone removed the section header between the discussions and that all discussion about the first section ended up in the second section mixed with the discussion about the second nomination. I have now undone that and moved all comments to the correct nomination. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I did it. Sorry about the confusion; I thought the horizontal line was enough to separate both nominations. My intend was to remove the section heading: There is no need to have redundant headings and also the headings break the JS used to delete files. Is it ok to rephrase both headings? --McZusatz (talk) 15:40, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Looks enough to me, provided that discussion takes place in the correct section. I have added a separate header to this extra discussion about the discussion procedure. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted all of the medals in the first group. It is well established that coins and medals have a copyright as works of sculpture. The second group may require splitting into smaller parts. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Some of these have been deleted by Jim. I've kept the rest for now because a mass nomination in this situation is inappropriate; the files need to be examined individually, and should have individual DRs should be created for them. FASTILY 09:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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