Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Logos of Carrefour Group

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Files in Category:Logos of Carrefour Group

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Not too simple for copyright. See Commons:Deletion requests/Carrefour logo.

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:14, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Logo Carrefour sans texte.png is the right group logo. --Swaf75 (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Speedy keep. Carrefour logo is above the Threshold of originality in the US. Similar images are below the threshold of originality required for copyright protection. Especially the Subway and Nikken logos are good examples. The Carrefour logo is just a square of red and blue colors with a transparent "C" letter. It's not complicated enough to be above the US standards.
Comparison
This logo Logos below the Threshold of Originality in the United States
  • Best Western hotels: Consists of letters plus a simple border. None of these is eligible for copyright protection in United States. (authority)
    Best Western hotels: Consists of letters plus a simple border. None of these is eligible for copyright protection in United States. (authority)
  • Nikken USA Inc. (authority)
    Nikken USA Inc. (authority)
  • Bruce Lee core symbol (authority)
    Bruce Lee core symbol (authority)
  • Subway logo (authority)
    Subway logo (authority)
Rezonansowy (talk) 16:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I updated my comment to include a comparison. --Rezonansowy (talk) 16:41, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a section under TOO for the country of Spain. So your keep rationale does not apply. Also, "speedy" means you are attempting to censor the discussion by having it closed prematurely; we only do that for bad faith nominations. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:04, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Magog the Ogre: Let me explain this case more closely:
  1. The design of all works listed above bases on File:Logo Carrefour sans texte.png, which is the original logo and trademark of Carrefour. Carrefour S.A. is a company which bases in France. Country of origin of the Carrefour logo is France then.
  2. According to Commons:Copyright rules policy: Files uploaded to Commons should be free both in the country of origin (as defined by the Berne Convention) and in the United States of America. Other juridical territories are not involved in the creation of the work.
  3. According to Commons:Threshold of originality policy, the examples of the Threshold of originality in the United States given above are: OK to upload to Commons, because they are below the threshold of originality required for copyright protection and are judged ineligible for copyright protection by a court or similar authority.
  4. According to Commons:Threshold of originality policy, the Threshold of originality in the France: asserts that a work is copyrightable when it bears the "imprint of the personality of the author" and In practice, it depends on the work in question, but this has left the bar quite low for many works where an artistic intent can be shown.
  5. The logo of Carrefour Group presents the design of the same nature which was already judged by the United States Copyright Office as ineligible to be copyrighted. In addition, the logo of Carrefour Group does not show the personality of the author or the artistic intent as required by the French law. Therefore, the copyright for the logo of Carrefour Group does not exist.
  6. Your deletion rationale was a statement Not too simple for copyright. and a link reference to another Deletion Request – Commons:Deletion requests/Carrefour logo.
  7. The contents of the above reference also consist only of votes and personal opinions without expressing any arguments of legal nature. The above Deletion Request authored by Taivo with a rationale: I think, that the logo surpasses threshold of originality. and that statement on the previous similar case on Commons that in my opinion the result was incorrect. The request was closed by Natuur12 with a rationale I agree with Taivo, non basic shapes.
  8. As a response to the above, I posted my vote of speedy keep for this work as I did not see a right rationale to contest the copyright status of this logo just by relying on personal votes. Unlike yours unfortunately, my vote has a rationale with a legal basis.
  9. Regarding the legal jurisdiction of the Carrefour Group headquarters it is difficult for me to understand why you provided Spain as a country which is binding in Threshold of originality to the logo of Carrefour Group. Spain was not the source country of this work and/or the country originally involved in its initial creation or first publication.
  10. If believe that you should include Spain in the copyright scope of the work and did not find information you were interested then you should rather apply the rule of assuming the copyright good status of the file. You just provide as your rationale a statement that I don't see a section under TOO for the country of Spain.
  11. You responded that So your keep rationale does not apply. Regarding the above this is not right.
  12. Your deletion rationale does not conform to a Community standards of Wikimedia Commons which are described under Commons:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion.
  13. You answered me that "speedy" means you are attempting to censor the discussion by having it closed prematurely; we only do that for bad faith nominations. First, as I stated above I voted speedy keep because your deletion request seems to be likely invalid as it does not contain any specific rationale. By simply stating Not too simple for copyright you do not start the discussion. Also, who is we? General statements that we do that or we do not that which lack any specific disclosure are very misleading, especially when it is written by an admin. You should not do that. Please be more specific and direct. This is also described in Commons:Deletion requests.Added a reference.--Rezonansowy (talk) 17:40, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  14. In addition, by saying to me that by expressing my vote you are attempting to censor the discussion is likely against my freedom of speech and expression and also against the Community standards and policies like Commons:Assume good faith which says about the assuming good faith standard. Even if you did not intend to you actually did me feel like this. I and everyone else have a right to express any vote or opinion which does not hurt anyone or is not against the law.
  15. @Magog the Ogre, Natuur12, and Taivo: I really appreciate your service as admins on Commons but guys, what are you doing? You seem to completely ignore any standards of merit discussion which always shall include legal and material arguments. You replaced these standards with a showcase of personal opinions and agreements. Such practice lead to performing a wrong decisions and they harm everyone at Wikimedia Commons. I am very tired of dealing with such crap. When even admins do it, it is enough. Pleas stop it and start respecting the Community standards and official policies by relying on merit arguments (like providing the legal basis).
  16. Again, I appreciate your work and service (all of you guys!) and know that you have your own lives but please pay attention to the above...

Yours in Community,

--Rezonansowy (talk) 15:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When creating previous request, I did not realize, that this is big white C on blue and red background. Writing big white C into square in such way, that I do not understand, that this is C in square, clearly shows personality of the author and artistic intent. I agree now, that the logo is too simple for copyright in USA, but probably not in source country France. Taivo (talk) 16:21, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Taivo: Thank you for your response and legal analysis. Towards France, the thing is the the work is assigned to a company and companies cannot have a personality. They can express their services through logo but not personality. This work was created for marketing purposes not artistic so there is no direct artistic intent, even you or some other individual finds it interesting in an aesthetic sense. --Rezonansowy (talk) 17:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I do not agree with your conclusion, that logos of companies of France cannot be copyrighted. Taivo (talk) 17:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Taivo: Again, please reread the Commons:Deletion requests#Overview on how to express an opinion on Wikimedia Commons. I can understand the need to research the case more closely, but you cannot just say that you agree or not with something. --Rezonansowy (talk) 00:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete all. According to com:TOO the threshold for France seems to be "imprint of the personality of the author" and one cannot deny that such a threshold is met with those logo's. Also it’s required that a work is free in the source country and the US. Therefor the US examples are irrelevant. I would also note that fonts can be copyrighted in Europe. Therefor the “it’s just a C-argument” has little merit. I would find it funny to read that company’s cannot hold a copyright over their logo’s but it’s just plain sad honestly. I would recommend that Rezonansowy takes an introduction course about copyright before they accuse others off “completely ignore any standards of merit discussion”. Natuur12 (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Deleted, the logo has artistic intent and therefore is copyrighted in source country France. Taivo (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Logos of Carrefour Group

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The logo's of Carrefour are copyrighted. The design is above threshold of originality per COM:TOO France. Therefore these files cannot be hosted on Commons with one of the free licences.

Ellywa (talk) 09:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Copy vio - We can always undelete if COM:VRT is provided and approved. Thanks everyone for participating and if you disagree with this decision please take it to Commons:Undeletion requests - unless there is a tech issue. Thanks for assuming good faith and happy new year!. --Missvain (talk) 18:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Logos of Carrefour Group

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Per Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Logos of Carrefour Group. The country of origin of the logo is France where the threshold of originality is too low.

Günther Frager (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. ✗plicit 00:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Logos of Carrefour Group

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The country of origin of the logo is France where the threshold of originality is too low. See previous DR on these category.

Günther Frager (talk) 22:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 03:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Logos of Carrefour Group

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Per above DRs, this logo of the letter C in a rhombus with slightly rounded corners is above COM:TOO France, somehow

Nutshinou Talk! 17:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete per nomination (and previous ones). Threshold of originality in France is too low. Günther Frager (talk) 17:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This logo is also original here in Spain, although its origin is French, I understand. In all the integrated food chains of petrol stations, there are many of these logos. This is the problem. Autopistero20502020 (talk) 17:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Speedy keep the file File:Logo Carrefour Express (naranja).svg should not be deleted because it is placed in several articles on motorways and highways as part of a CEPSA service area or petrol station integrated with Carrefour Express. The problem is not the rights of the author, but, the problem is that the icon has to appear for the transparency to the drivers. There are several logos of other food chains that are integrated in the petrol station and for this reason, please do not delete the file.
I hope you understand me well in English.
Thank you very much and best regards. Autopistero20502020 (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Carrefour 1988.svg was previously deleted (note the blue link among the long list of red links above). I don’t know whether the file’s contents are the same as before, but the file’s log suggests that the original uploader may have returned under a different name. Brianjd (talk) 02:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Brianjd, this file File:Logo Carrefour Express (naranja).svg does not come from this file File:Carrefour 1988.svg, it comes from another site, just so you know. I think the original may come from the Carrefour logo (red and blue color, the original, not the old). Autopistero20502020 (talk) 08:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination and previous decisions. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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