Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Barbie dolls
Files in Category:Barbie dolls
[edit]See COM:VPC#Dimension of derivative works: photos of copyrighted toys are derivative works of the toys. This leaves only a few photos in the category which I believe are either de minimis or ineligible for copyright. Some of the photos are actually not toys but packaging with complex art.
- File:Barbie 1959 First Editions.jpg
- File:Barbie Fashion Model.JPG
- File:Barbie nudism.jpg
- File:BarbieAntes1997Despues.jpg
- File:Barbieswaistwidens.jpg
- File:Dior New Look.jpg
- File:Dye decolourisation at labscale and microscale SOPHIED.jpg
- File:Early Barbie doll en suite 01.jpg
- File:Early Barbie doll en suite 02.jpg
- File:Elch01m.jpg
- File:JjcobwebbBarbie.jpg
- File:Ken Carson.jpg
- File:Mattelno1br.jpg
File:Polaroid Barbie Pink Instant 600 Film Camera.jpg- File:Study of a murder on a Barbie figurine.jpg
- File:Sunning (2179966897).jpg
- File:Whitney Houston Barbie I Wanna Dance 1.jpg
- File:Whitney Houston Barbie I Wanna Dance 2.jpg
- File:Álbum+da+barbie.jpg
Stefan4 (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- With reference to File:Early Barbie doll en suite 01.jpg and File:Early Barbie doll en suite 02.jpg (admittedly not among my better photos), and possibly some others here (I haven't looked through the batch) I would guess that the only elements here that were copyrighted and had their copyrights renewed are Barbie and Ken, who make up a pretty small portion of the pictures, albeit arguably constitute its main interest. But I'm not weighing in either way on the issue, you're welcome to delete these if people think it actually raises a copyright problem. - Jmabel ! talk 20:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- So dollhouses aren't copyrighted? In that case, those two pictures are probably fine. --Stefan4 (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- But note COM:FOP#United States: "The term building means structures that are habitable by humans and intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions." I'm not sure if a dollhouse is permanent, stationary or designed for human occupancy. --Stefan4 (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Searching all the copyright renewals would be a pain, but RE0000280638 and RE0000280637 are renewals for 1958 Barbies, which seem to protect all later Barbies.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep File:Polaroid Barbie Pink Instant 600 Film Camera.jpg -- where do you see a "toy" or "complex art" there? Trycatch (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- I think I must have ticked that checkbox by mistake. I don't see any problem with that photo. --Stefan4 (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- So you don't think the flower pattern sticker is copyrightable?--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep that one. De728631 (talk) 21:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep File:Dior New Look.jpg -- The appearance of the doll is totally unrelated to the purpouse of the photograph, which is to illustrate the New Look stetic trend created by Christian Dior in 1947. This is the only illustration of such work which appears in Wikipedia, thus this photograph existance is justified and required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.164.52.50 (talk • contribs) 2012-02-19T18:54:30 (UTC)
- This is not Wikipedia and it still looks like a copyvio. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with Stefan, delete that file. De728631 (talk) 21:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- Delete all but File:Polaroid Barbie Pink Instant 600 Film Camera.jpg. De728631 (talk) 21:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep all. --Guil2027 (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- Why? --Stefan4 (talk) 00:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- Why not? --Guil2027 (talk) 00:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- delete - there can be no question that dolls are protected by copyright under US law and that Barbie is covered by that. de minimis aside (eg a picture of a child's room or a shelf full or mixed toys) we can not keep any images of Barbie. --h-stt !? 11:07, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - indeed, these images constitute derivative works of copyrighted material. According to Commons:Derivative works, "action figures do not have utilitarian aspects and are therefore generally copyrighted as works of fine art." These images (barring the ones pointed out above) seem no exception. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- keep - I dont understand why you would want to delete these.(File:Barbie Fashion Model.JPG). It is not copyright violation if you use the image of an item that is copyrighted in a creative commons sense, especially if that image was taken by an individual (such as the one I quoted, which I took). Memory Alpha does that all the time with respect ot screen caps from various Star Trek shows/movies - which are all copyrighted materials. With that regard, you might as well then delete all pics on wikiepdia because what they photograph is copyrighted in one way or another. Image File:Barbie Fashion Model.JPG was modified by me in terms of how the doll's hair is done and how she is dressed. The original dolls wasn't even dressed like this or looked like this. By that account, every person who uploads a picture of a fashion doll on flickr, let's say, would be prohibited from doing so. And everyone taking a picture of a barbie they want to sell on ebay is also also violating copyright? SOFA and PIPA havent become laws yet. This just doesnt make sense. --CarrieBee (talk) 17:31, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, those people are violating copyright, unless it qualifies as fair use. However, Commons doesn't allow fair use. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep all. The main problem I see here, and with these kind of multiple nominations, is that none of the pictures were taken by the same person in the same place. Multiple countries permit a total freedom of panorama—including 3D and 2D art, somes with the condition that should be taken in a public place (File:Sunning (2179966897).jpg), but public place is not necessarily a park or street; or even if the toy still copyrighted in the country of origin. If you want to delete them you have to investigate where they were taken, if the toy still copyrighted and then nominate them onr-by-one. Tbhotch™ 22:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Other example of what cannot be considered a copyvio or fair use is File:Study of a murder on a Barbie figurine.jpg, where the toy is not visible at all. Tbhotch™ 22:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- The sculpted details are.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- With rare exception, countries with FOP only include permanently installed works. File:Sunning (2179966897).jpg was taken in Hawaii, and FOP doesn't apply at all for sculpture in the US.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Unless tagged with {{FoP-Israel}} or anything similar, I think that we have to assume that photos of dolls are unfree per COM:PRP. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. Unfortunately, I don't believe any of these images qualify for Commons (for reasons stated by others above). However, several of them would most definitely qualify as "fair-use" for use on Wikipedia. That being said, most of these aren't exactly "first-class" images and I believe most could easily be removed without much detriment to their respective articles (no offense to any of the photographers, but many appear rather "amateurish"). The remaining images that appear to be well-done could be reuploaded to their repsective Wikipedias with "fair-use" rationales (although I admit that will create a lot of "busy work" for the editors left to do the "clean-up"). I'm not a "professional" photographer, but I have access to a large assortment of Barbies (from various eras) and could easily take some nice professional looking photos to fill in some of the "gaps" that may result after the majority of less-than-steller images are removed. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 11:44, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keep all, for the reasons that Tbhotch mentioned above. Acdx (talk) 12:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: It would appear that the copyright on Barbie dolls was renewed, making the vast majority of these non-free derivative works, which are strictly prohibited on Commons. There does seem to be consensus to keep File:Polaroid Barbie Pink Instant 600 Film Camera.jpg, so I've done that. FASTILY (TALK) 23:51, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Files in Category:Barbie dolls
[edit]See COM:TOYS.
- File:Barbie Dolls.jpg
- File:Barbie Drawing.JPG
- File:Barbies.jpg
- File:Boneca Barbie.jpg
- File:Expozice sběratelských panenek Barbie v Galerii DollsLand.gif
- File:How to lose weight.JPG
- File:Ken.JPG
Stefan4 (talk) 21:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Deleted . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Files in Category:Barbie dolls
[edit]Derivative works per COM:TOYS.
- File:'hole in a halter' top and wrap dress in leso.JPG
- File:'hole in a halter' top and wrap dress in Nigerian.JPG
- File:'kikoi' wrap skirt and halter top.JPG
- File:'kikoi' wrap skirt and side tied top.JPG
- File:1950s Inspired Barbie at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:2 piece maasai style wrap of tetron and lace.JPG
- File:3 piece maasai style wrap of tetron and lace.JPG
- File:AFRICAN - AMERICAN.JPG
- File:Alvin Ailey inspires Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Ankle lenghth apron, back skirt and halter top.JPG
- File:Ankle lenghth apron, side slitted back kirt and wrap top with leso edging.JPG
- File:Apron and slit skirt front view.JPG
- File:Apron concept with extended back tie sash.JPG
- File:Apron concept with leso edged bodice.JPG
- File:APRON CONCEPT.JPG
- File:APRON DRESS & BACK SKIRT.JPG
- File:APRON DRESS.JPG
- File:ARMLESS KANGA.JPG
- File:BACK TO NATURE.JPG
- File:Bantu hem skirt and halter top.JPG
- File:Barbie1.jpg
- File:Barby blond.jpg
- File:BASICALLY.JPG
- File:BLACK & WHITE.JPG
- File:BLUE KANGA CLOAK.JPG
- File:Bob Mackie Inspired Barbie Dolls at Expo Barbie Montreal Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Brides maids in leaf print kanga wraps.JPG
- File:Bustier apron and back skirt.JPG
- File:Bustier apron dress elaborated with hanky cut leso train.JPG
- File:Bustier apron dress hyphenated with ribbon.JPG
- File:Bustier apron dress with lace sash -back view.JPG
- File:Bustier apron dress with lace sash-front view.JPG
- File:Bustier apron in american denim.JPG
- File:Bustier apron style evening dress.JPG
- File:Bustier apron style wedding dress-back view.JPG
- File:Bustier apron style wedding dress.JPG
- File:Butier apron dress and hanky cut train-back view.JPG
- File:Byron Lars designed Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Byron Lars designed Cinnabar Sensation Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Cabaret Dancers Dolls at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:CHIC ETHNIC.jpg
- File:Christian Dior inspired Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:CLOAK & WRAP DRESS.JPG
- File:CORPORATE IN THE JUNGLE.JPG
- File:Costumes Inspired by France at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Couture Wedding Bob Mackie Inspired Barbie at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:CROP TOP WRAP.JPG
- File:Crop top, skirt and maasai style wrap with modesty waist cover.JPG
- File:Dance Til Dawn Barbie at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Disney inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Disney Mouseketeer inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Eiffel Tower inspired Barbie at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:EMPIRE KANGA.JPG
- File:EMPIRE.JPG
- File:Escada Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Faberge inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Faraway Forest Elf Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:FIT & FLARE APRON.JPG
- File:Formal Dress Barbie doll at Expo Barbie Montreal Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Foundation wrap dress and beaded sash.JPG
- File:Foundation wrap dress and cloak in Nigerian.JPG
- File:Fulla 2016 Present doll.jpg
- File:Goddess of the Galaxy Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:HALTER DRESS.JPG
- File:HALTER TOP & TROUSER.JPG
- File:HALTER TOPS & APRON LINE SKIRT.JPG
- File:Hanae Mori designed Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:INDIA - KENYA.JPG
- File:India Inspired, Princess of India, and Diwali Inspired Barbies at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Inuit Legend and Venetian Opulence dolls at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Joan Jett inspired Inspired Barbie Dolls at Expo Barbie Montreal Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:KANGA MIX & MATCH.JPG
- File:KANGA SLIT.JPG
- File:KANGA.JPG
- File:KITENGE BACK SKIRT.JPG
- File:Kitenge foundation dress of a wrap top and wrap skirt accessrized with a sheer cloak.JPG
- File:KITENGE THREE PIECE.JPG
- File:Lalka Barbie - Audrey Hepburn w roli księżniczki Anny z filmu Rzymskie wakacje Williama Wylera z 1953. Muzeum Sztuk Użytkowych w Poznaniu - styczeń 2018.jpg
- File:Laurence Xu Inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:LEAF & STARS.JPG
- File:LEAF DRESS.JPG
- File:Leso one shoulder foundation dress and matching solid cloak.JPG
- File:Leso one shoulder foundation dress and sash.JPG
- File:Leso one shoulder foundation dresses.JPG
- File:Leso print bustier and skirt-back view.JPG
- File:Leso print bustier apron and skirt-front view.JPG
- File:Leso print cloak and solid foundation dress.JPG
- File:Leso under arm wraps worn with matching skirt and strapless dress repectively.JPG
- File:Leso wrap skirt and backless halter top.JPG
- File:Leso wrap skirt with solid yoke and cropped leso wrap top.JPG
- File:Leso wrap skirt, solid and leso wrap top.JPG
- File:MAASAI CROP TOP.JPG
- File:MAASAI HOUND TOOTH.JPG
- File:Maasai style wrap in leso and solid tetron.JPG
- File:Maasai style wrap of solid black and black lace.JPG
- File:Maasai style wrap of tetron and textured fabric.JPG
- File:Mistress of the Manor Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:MODERNIZED APRON.JPG
- File:MONDAY & FRIDAY.JPG
- File:Morning Sun Princess and Evening Star Princess Barbies at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:MULTI SLIT.JPG
- File:NYAYO PHILOSOPHY.JPG
- File:One shoulder dress with front overlay that falls down back.JPG
- File:Pantone Inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Parisienne Pretty Barbie Doll at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Part kanga part tetron wrap top and tetron skirt.JPG
- File:PATY STYLE.JPG
- File:Peace and Love 70s and Benefit Ball Barbies at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:PEACOCK KANGA.JPG
- File:PINK KANGA.JPG
- File:Print kanga wrap top and solid wrap skirt with hem detail.JPG
- File:Promenade in the Park Barbie at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Provencale Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Puppe alone.jpg
- File:Queen of Hearts Bob Mackie Inspired Barbie Dolls at Expo Barbie Montreal Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Renaissance Faire Barbie at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Rest and relaxation. Priya, Honey,Andy,Tina and Isabelle at the beach.JPG
- File:Sanrio inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:SLIT APRON SKIRT & HALTER TOP.JPG
- File:SLIT APRON.JPG
- File:Spirit of the Sky and Spirit of the Water Barbies at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Star print leso wrap and halter.JPG
- File:Star print leso wrap and matching shoulder throw.JPG
- File:Star print leso wrap and shoulder throw-back view.JPG
- File:Suiting in the apron concept.JPG
- File:Sumatra Indonesia Inspired Barbies at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:Sydney Opera House Inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:TAUSI CLOAK.JPG
- File:Tetron and lace apon concept.JPG
- File:Tetron wrap dress and kanga shoulder wrap.JPG
- File:TEXTURE MIX & MATCH.JPG
- File:THE MODELS.JPG
- File:The Starry Night Inspired by Vincent Van Gogh at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:THE TWO MODELS.JPG
- File:Tie and dye 2 piece foundation wrap dress.JPG
- File:TROUSER AND WRAP LESSO MIX & MATCH.JPG
- File:Victorian Barbie at the Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:WATER FALL.JPG
- File:Wedgwood inspired Barbie at Barbie Expo Les Cours Mont-Royal.jpg
- File:WRAP & WRAP.JPG
- File:WRAP DRESS & TRAIN.JPG
- File:Wrap dress and embroidered sash.JPG
- File:Wrap dress of kanga print right over solid tetron left.JPG
- File:Wrap top and trousers that has train attached along apron lines.JPG
- File:Wrap with train extension.JPG
— Racconish 💬 09:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. AshFriday (talk) 23:48, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. - FitIndia Talk ✉ 07:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Files in Category:Barbie dolls
[edit]Per COM:TOYS
- File:Beauty, queen of the jungle.JPG
- File:Bustier apron dress without sash.JPG
- File:COLOUR MIX.JPG
- File:Tie and dye foundation dress and matching cloak.JPG
- File:Toys 2007-118-079 (15407001390).jpg
- File:Toys 2013-056-023b (15590189541).jpg
- File:Toys 2013-056-035d (14972104864).jpg
— Racconish 💬 09:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. - FitIndia Talk ✉ 05:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Files in Category:Barbie dolls
[edit]Copyrighted 3 dimensional figure, violation of COM:TOYS.
(Oinkers42) (talk) 15:32, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, the image is not a violation and is used as the lead image of a major article. Go rain on some other parade. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn, on what basis do these pass COM:TOYS? Why do you think it's at all relevant that it's currently in use? Cakelot1 (talk) 20:04, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Obviously fails COM:TOYS. As with all the previous DRs above, these are Derivative works of a copyrighted work. Cakelot1 (talk) 20:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --Krd 04:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Files in Category:Barbie dolls
[edit]Per COM:TOYS, Barbies are copyrighted by default. Excluding an advertisement that would need its own copyright notice and a few de minimis cases.
A few have tags indicating there was not copyright notice, but every box I've found from the relevant time period includes a copyright notice (for example [1] [2] [3]). It's hard to dig up the box for exact models, but the burden for that is likely on those claiming there was no copyright notice rather than the other way around.
Nominating photos from an exhibit in Italy, which does not have COM:FOP. Excluding museum exhibits in places with FOP (like those in Category:Barbie Expo), but I suspect those should be nominated, too, as temporary exhibitions rather than "permanent displays". Leaving those for someone else, though.
See also: the many other nominations on this page for the same reasons.
- File:Barbie and me.jpg
- File:Barbie e skipper con vari outfit anni '60 (coll. baldi bellavia) 01.jpg
- File:Barbie e skipper con vari outfit anni '60 (coll. baldi bellavia) 02.jpg
- File:BARBIE ON A BLACK CROSS.jpg
- File:Barbie's Operation (3284254974).jpg
- File:Black Barbie from 1980 in the box.jpg
- File:Catwoman Barbie.jpg
- File:Vintage Malibu Barbie (cropped).jpg
- File:Vintage Malibu Barbie 2 (cropped) green background.jpg
- File:Vintage Malibu Barbie 2 (cropped).jpg
- File:Vintage Malibu Barbie 2.jpg
- File:Vintage Malibu Barbie.jpg
— Rhododendrites talk | 20:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Per the nominator and past DRs where the same or similar images were deleted. Not to mention at least a few of these are questionably in scope to begin with anyway. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep File:Catwoman Barbie.jpg We have been through this before with sculptures of artworks. The image is okay in Australia due to it being a free country (ie one with FoP). It is CC in the US because I took the image and licensed it as such. WMF legal has fought and won cases on this basis before. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- FOP is typically just for things situated permanently in a particular location (The exception generally applies only to works on permanent public display.). The idea is to exempt things like buildings and major public art. I'd be surprised if Australia were different in that regard, but I'd be happy to be wrong. — Rhododendrites talk | 01:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've never heard about any WMF legal battles over FoP. If you cite the case, then we can be edified by the details, the arguments, and the resolution.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete both for the obvious reasons and because it would indirectly kill the ridiculous debate currently going on at w:talk:Barbenheimer Dronebogus (talk) 14:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- In my experience, exporting disputes from enwp to Commons is unhelpful, and might even push annoyed Commons admins to lend more credibility to the other side. If you opt to remove that part of your comment, you're welcome to remove this response, too. — Rhododendrites talk | 15:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep the image being used on Barbenheimer for page relevance and out-of-copyright information on the image page. Please do not remove the comment above (you can strike words out) as an example of bias pertaining to the RfC. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:36, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn, as you did in the last vote, you've used the argument that the image shouldn't be deleted because it's in use. But that's completely besides the point since we don't keep copyright violating works just because they are used. The argument is that the "out-of-copyright information" is incorrect, and you have not engaged with those arguments made in the nom. Cakelot1 (talk) 07:13, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per the well argued nom. It is possible that some of these are public domain but without evidence (and per COM:PRP) we can't keep them based on a possibility Cakelot1 (talk) 07:16, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- At least think out of the box and leave the image that's on the Barbenheimer page alone. You don't think if Mattel wanted it taken down they would have contacted someone? The page has had 1.4 million plus views since a photo of Barbie has been up-front, and of those views I would think that the Mattel company, its attorneys, its law clerks, its board of directors, and its secretaries would have clicked on the page and know that one of their dolls is being featured. They all know it, yet nobody got on the horn or filed a complaint. Mattel is perfectly happy having it up there! That's obvious, and because the copyright is still being questioned, and literally nobody cares to legally contest its use, at least leave it until this unique film-combination period moves along a bit and the page goes back to normal viewing. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Nobody has complained yet" isn't a reason for keeping anything. Images on Commons must be usable and modifiable by anyone for any purpose. Our policies are in place to protect not just Wikipedia, but everyone who uses the content. If someone would be opening themselves up to litigation by taking our Barbie photos, putting them in a book or on a poster, and selling them, we cannot host it. People need to know when they go to Commons that the license is reliable. "But it's used in an article" is irrelevant. If you would like it to be used in an article and not hosted on Commons, that's what en:WP:NFCC is for (for local uploads to Wikipedia). There's probably a good case for NFCC when it comes to the main Barbie article. — Rhododendrites talk | 22:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- That makes sense. Would you or someone please add the Vintage Barbie 2 cropped to the Wikipedia files (The one being used on Barhenheimer now)? I'm not computer savvy enough to add it and yes, the Barbie page could argue for it for sure and the Barbenheimer page could have a good case. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't there's much chance you'd get an WP:NFCC Rationale for the Barhenheimer page. As to the main Barbie page Wikipedia would probably want a clearer and up to date image than "Vintage Barbie". Best to leave it until/if this deletion happens. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 07:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- ^^ If you're going the en:WP:NFCC route, you can pick an ideal photo (like one from an official Mattel website, even), then just upload it locally to wikipedia and follow the prompts to explain why it qualifies for NFCC. Actually, it looks like the main Barbie article already has a couple non-free images: en:File:MattelBarbieno1br.jpg and en:File:Oreo Fun Barbie.jpg. If you wanted to upload another one, you could use the templates on those pages as a template. — Rhododendrites talk | 13:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can't do uploads on my computer, which is why I asked. The image used on Barbenheimer fits that page well and serves as a counterpoint to an image of Oppenheimer within a double-image. The reasoning for its use at Barbenheimer would be as representative of the portrayed character per the use of the Oppenheimer image. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn, it "fitting" or looking good isn't enough to get for WP:NFCC unfortunately. Even in the main barbie article I can't think of any non-free justification (the section doesn't say anything about the barbie in question). representative of the portrayed character, simply isn't a strong enough reason. And non of this is a reason for keeping it on commons, which is what we are discussing here. (I have the original flikr upload bookmarked so if there is suddenly an extremely good WP:NFC based reason I can always upload it to wp, although this sort of discussion should really be happening at w:Talk:Barbenheimer) Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 22:18, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can't do uploads on my computer, which is why I asked. The image used on Barbenheimer fits that page well and serves as a counterpoint to an image of Oppenheimer within a double-image. The reasoning for its use at Barbenheimer would be as representative of the portrayed character per the use of the Oppenheimer image. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- ^^ If you're going the en:WP:NFCC route, you can pick an ideal photo (like one from an official Mattel website, even), then just upload it locally to wikipedia and follow the prompts to explain why it qualifies for NFCC. Actually, it looks like the main Barbie article already has a couple non-free images: en:File:MattelBarbieno1br.jpg and en:File:Oreo Fun Barbie.jpg. If you wanted to upload another one, you could use the templates on those pages as a template. — Rhododendrites talk | 13:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't there's much chance you'd get an WP:NFCC Rationale for the Barhenheimer page. As to the main Barbie page Wikipedia would probably want a clearer and up to date image than "Vintage Barbie". Best to leave it until/if this deletion happens. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 07:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- That makes sense. Would you or someone please add the Vintage Barbie 2 cropped to the Wikipedia files (The one being used on Barhenheimer now)? I'm not computer savvy enough to add it and yes, the Barbie page could argue for it for sure and the Barbenheimer page could have a good case. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment FYI, this and this. Nyxaros (talk) 20:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- As the nom noted there doesn't seem to be any evidence of Pd-no-notice, and non was provided in those DRs. The user asserting no-notice doesn't seem to be the photographer so it doesn't seem wise to take that without evidence. Mdaniels5757 (and the closer IronGargoyle), if there's some obvious evidence of there not being a copyright notice on this particular barbie (when others at the time had them), it would be much appreciated if you could point it out. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 09:33, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, we'd need evidence of no copyright notice on the original boxes to justify keeping the images. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Barbie on a black cross as transformative and de minimis. The rest are probably unjustifiable, unfortunately. David Eppstein (talk) 20:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, but whether it's transformative is a consideration of fair use, which Commons doesn't accept, and the doll is the focal point (and title) of the image. — Rhododendrites talk | 02:50, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - I already nominated one of the files for deletion here Commons:Deletion requests/File:Black Barbie from 1980 in the box.jpg. Should I request that DR to be closed for this one? (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:14, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)