Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Ayala Malls Central Bloc

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Files in Category:Ayala Malls Central Bloc

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There's no freedom of panorama in the Philippines and the building in these images isn't incidental. So they are clearly copyrighted.

Adamant1 (talk) 17:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep The building may not be incidental, but the architectural, artistic or creative aspects of the building are incidental. They are not photographs of a building which incidentally happen to be damaged, they are photographs of the damage done by the typhoon that incidentally happen to be on that building.--Pere prlpz (talk) 10:17, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Really. So the building is incidential in the third to last image and its just a photograph of the damage huh? Right. You must not have looked at all the photographs, if you even looked at any of them to begin with. Even with the rest of images its ridiculous to claim the buildings are just incidential or secondary to the damage on them when they take up most of the photographs and none of them are zoomed in on the damage. At point you take an image of any building out there and claim its just incidential because there's paint pealing off the side of it and that's what you were really taking an image of, which is just stupid and not how the law works. If that's the case here then it was on the photographer to just take a picture of the damage and not the rest of the building. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose you may have looked, at most, at the last three ones where a narrow interpretation could see too much context for the damage, and that might explain your rant, but the other ones clearly focus in the damage and not on the architecture of the building.--Pere prlpz (talk) 20:26, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
LOL I wouldn't call that a rant. I was just pointing out the flow in your reasoning, but whatever. We'll have to agree to disagree. You could at least meet me half way and vote to delete the last three images since you seem to agree they don't focus on the damage. Although I'd say images like File:Destruction from Typhoon Rai in Cebu City 2021 12 045.jpg don't really "focus" on it either since the damage is only visible on like 25% of the left side of the photograph. Although if know anything about this you'd know that FOP panorama has to do with if an image shows unique architecture elements of the building and these images clearly do regardless of the damage. Which was what my point about the paint was getting at. You can dismiss it as a "rant" if you want to, but that's just how the law and guidelines work. Neither one is going to be ignored by the closing administrator just because of your trite criticisms of my comments either. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for not using again the word "stupid".
I don't agree that the last three images don't focus in the damage, although it may be debatable if the context is excessive. I think that removing those three images would be applying a too narrow interpretation but I must admit that deleting those three and keeping the other ones wouldn't damage much Commons'coverage of the destruction caused by typhoon Rai in Cebu city.--Pere prlpz (talk) 09:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
keeping the other ones wouldn't damage much Commons'coverage of the destruction You could probably make the argument that it would be to narrow of an interpretation if the images were being used for journalistic purposes because of fair use. That's not a justification for Commons to host images though and the purpose of the project isn't really to provide coverage of natural disasters or the damages they cause. Not that it can't be used for that, but covering a topic (whatever that means) isn't a justification to host images of otherwise copyrighted works. This isn't a news outlet. That said, I'm fine with whatever outcome the closing administrator decides on. Even if that means just deleting the last three images and keeping the rest. Although I still think they should all be deleted. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not arguing that covering is a reason to keep. I just concede that deleting the last three (which are the ones where could be argued that de minimins might not apply because of too much context) is not damaging much Commons so I'm not willing to put a lot of effort on kepping them. If your are fine with deleting the last three and keeping the others, I'm fine with it, too.--Pere prlpz (talk) 12:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete, seems my initial suspicion on Philippine TOO is right in the first place (see Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2023/07#Probable low Philippines TOO). A "sweat of the brow" concept applies here. A few logos that may be simple in the U.S. are given copyright registration from 2021 up to present. Seems clear that in terms of level of artistic expression, the Philippines gradually veers away from the U.S. TOO, even if much of copyright jurisprudence here is based on U.S. jurisprudence. If some simple logos are given copyright registration, this means those are eligible for copyright. Therefore, maybe around 95-99% of modern Philippine architecture is eligible for architectural copyright. Undelete if the FOP legal right is successfully introduced here. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 07:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: The buildings are not incidental and the buildings show copyrighted architectural elements in each photograph, which storm damage does not diminish. The buildings are framed in such a way that they are the focus of the photograph. --Abzeronow (talk) 16:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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