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Files in Category:Apartment buildings in Ljubljana

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Buildings created after 1945, no evidence that their architect died before this year, which make these files ineligible for Commons (per COM:FOP#Slovenia).

Eleassar (t/p) 20:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, the Faculty of Architecture of Ljubljana does not seem to agree, because if they thought it didn't surpass the TOO, they would not list this neighbourhood among their projects. --Eleassar (t/p) 10:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't matter what they think. Best Western thinks its logo is copyrightable, and tried and failed three times to get it copyrighted. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 11:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What has to be considered in regard to copyright are both urban planning and architecture. I haven't found an article discussing the architecture of this particular settlement, but on the other hand, one has this or this settlement, both discussed in detail as an original work. Regarding Štepanjsko naselje, one may also see that the shape and colour of appartment blocks and the spatial arrangement of buildings and interim areas have been careful planned and are unique and thus surpass the threshold of originality. It's not only simple geometrical shapes like in the logo you cited. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You can generate a lot of discussion on anything. Just take a look at this multi-page document: File:Best Western Logo.pdf. (Just to clarify, I'm not saying that these apartments are similar to the Best Western logo; I'm using it to illustrate my point that using primary sources to back to claims of originality are often invalid, plus that just because you can say a lot about an image doesn't mean it's copyrightable.) -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:14, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This was not a primary source and not just some random babble, but a description from the selection of most notable architectural works from Slovenia, and was given for a comparison to Štepanjsko naselje, which seems to me to include a similar amount of originality, as also explained above. Of course, it's just my personal opinion, but at least as much based on reliable sources as yours. --Eleassar (t/p) 08:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By "primary source," I was referring to the page by the faculty. Yes, your later links could be considered reliable. However, determining TOO isn't just be based on reliable sources; often in DRs about TOO or DM issues, it is all in the eye of the beholder. Moreover sources may be reliable in the sense that what they're saying is right, but just because they're saying it doesn't make it pass TOO, because (again) you can say a lot about uncopyrightable things. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The architect's name is Vladimir Brezar (1935-) and the work is mentioned among his projects here. (Some more examples of his work.) --Eleassar (t/p) 07:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep Photos of Štepanjsko naselje: Industrial design, ineligible for copyright.
&  Keep File:Kozolec-Ljubljana.JPG: photo of a square, building is de minimis. M♦Zaplotnik my contributions 20:30, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The title and the description of the image is Kozolec, which is the name of the building, and it is in the centre of the image, thus not de minimis, but a deliberate depiction.
I don't know what does industrial design mean in this context. It seems like an original work that is per reliable sources counted among the most notable projects of the architect and the faculty. --Eleassar (t/p) 20:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Photo name is Kozolec-Ljubljana.JPG not just Kozolec. It doesn't matter if the building is in the centre of the picture or not. See File:Louvre at night centered.jpg with copyrighted element in the centre of the picture - this photo serves as an example of de minimis concept. Photo Kozolec-Ljubljana.JPG shows a large public square in Ljubljana, therefore surrounding building are de minimis.
About Štepanjsko naselje: I can't understand how residential complex like this could be called a work of art. This type of architecture can be seen everywhere and it's not original enough to be under copyright. The project description in architect's portfolio can't change this.— M♦Zaplotnik my contributions 15:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Squares (including this one, as far as I know work of Milan Mihelič, please correct me if I'm wrong) are actually copyrighted too (see [6]). However, the photo shows the square poorly and the building clearly; the title Kozolec-Ljubljana simply designates the context of the building, meaning the Kozolec building in the city of Ljubljana; the description (currently) includes only the name of the building (Kozolec) and its location (Ljubljana), nothing else.
Factors in judging whether a work is copyrightable are colours, shapes, and the arrangment of buildings and the interim surfaces. The shape and colour of appartment blocks and the spatial arrangement of buildings and interim areas in Štepanjsko naselje were created by a plan and diversely, which is particularly evident from the last image and means that they surpass the threshold of originality. Can you provide an example of a neighbourhood just like this? --Eleassar (t/p) 22:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: France is the only country where there is case law showing that all architecture is not copyrightable. Elsewhere, including the USA, every architectural work has a copyright. In addition, I think that the fenestration substanially exceeds any TOO. .     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 21:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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