Commons:Deletion requests/Files by Stephen Cribb (1875-1963) with no known copyright restrictions

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Files by Stephen Cribb (1875-1963) with no known copyright restrictions

• File:Australian submarine AE2 arriving at Portsmouth to prepare for her voyage to Australia.jpg
• File:Submarines, mines and torpedoes in the war (1914) (14576678520).jpg
• File:The romance of the ship; the story of her origin and evolution (1911) (14592365760).jpg
• File:The romance of the ship; the story of her origin and evolution (1911) (14776730194).jpg
• File:The romance of the ship; the story of her origin and evolution (1911) (14778664032).jpg

This is a relisting of images previously nominated under Commons:Deletion requests/Files by Stephen Cribb (1875-1963), which was closed as Procedural Keep. This group of images have been imported from Flickr where the stated licence is "no known copyright restrictions."

In each case, the author has been identified as "Cribb of Southsea," "S Cribb of Southsea" or "Stephen Cribb." Joseph Stephen Cribb is recorded as a press photographer from Southsea in Portsmouth, England. He is attributed as the author of many images taken in the Portsmouth area in the early 20th century, with a particular focus on ships and dockyards. From census and death records at FamilySearch, I have confirmed that he died in 1963 (See Wikidata entry). Based on the date of death the copyright on his works will expire in 2033, allowing upload on 1 January 2034. However, there may be other grounds as to why his works have entered the public domain or can otherwise be retained here under a different licence.

A declaration of "no known copyright restrictions," depends on the trustworthiness of the uploader in their ability to research the original copyright of the image. I am not a user of Flickr, so I am unclear whether a specific "public domain" tag can be chosen but as a general reader, "no known copyright restrictions" seems to mean that the uploader can't confirm the copyright status but is making an assumption that it is safe. Now that we have identified the files are potentially still in copyright, I would suggest the "no known copyright restrictions" claim is unsafe.

If the decision is made to delete these files, prior to deletion I'd recommend transfer of eligible files to English Wikipedia as the majority were published prior to 1926 (so PD under US law). We can set a template on the Wikipedia files that will identify them for transfer back to Commons in 2034. --From Hill To Shore (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Related discussions on the relisted nominations can be found through the links below. From Hill To Shore (talk) 14:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

• Commons:Deletion requests/Files by Stephen Cribb (1875-1963) marked as PD-UK-Gov
• Commons:Deletion requests/Files by Stephen Cribb (1875-1963) from Library of Congress
• Commons:Deletion requests/File:EB1911 Ship, Austrian Habsburg Class.jpg
• Commons:Deletion requests/File:H.M.S. 'Dreadnought'.(GN00597).jpg
• Commons:Deletion requests/File:HMS C3 AWM A05731.jpeg
• Commons:Deletion requests/File:The pair of 50 ton guns on HMS Formidable.jpg
• Commons:Deletion requests/File:Two stokers in cowl of HMS Spiteful 1901.tif

• Keep File:Australian submarine AE2 arriving at Portsmouth to prepare for her voyage to Australia.jpg at least. This image was uploaded to Flickr as 'No known copyright restrictions' by the Australian National Maritime Museum (ANNM). The ANMM is Australia's leading maritime museum and is a federal government agency, and is responsible for managing large collections of items and assisting researchers (it maintains a library, for instance). As a result, it is entirely reasonable to assume that a) it owned this image as part of its collections and b) it employs well qualified curators who are able to correctly assess the copyright status of items in its collections. Nick-D (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
•  Keep All pre 1926 publications, which makes it PD-USA, even if published in England. --RAN (talk) 04:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

  Works need to be freely usable in both the United States and the country of origin.  Mysterymanblue  09:22, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

•  Keep Files from The romance of the ship; the story of her origin and evolution. This book was ostensibly published simultaneously in the United States and United Kingdom. The book's contents are out of copyright in the United States per {{PD-US-expired}}. Under the Berne Convention, the country of origin in the case of simultaneous publication is the one with the shortest term, so these are out of copyright in the country of origin (the U.S.).  Delete File:Submarines, mines and torpedoes in the war (1914) (14576678520).jpg, as it was published by The Daily Telegraph, presumably in the UK, and copyright will subsist until Jan 1, 2034. I am unsure on the Australian one, though I am very suspicious.  Mysterymanblue  09:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

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Kept: per discussion, PD in the US. --Ellywa (talk) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)