Commons:Deletion requests/File:Thompson Maksimir 17.6.2007 2.jpg

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File:Thompson_Maksimir_17.6.2007_2.jpg

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This picture shows two young boys wearing Croatian neo-Nazi/Ustaše insignia. This exposes them to a very real risk of harrassment and abuse. Also, unless both of the boys depicted have given their express permission for it to be used this way, it is being used without their permission, which is unethical. Should be deleted in the name of human decency. UserVOBO (talk) 04:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reopened The following is copied from my talk page:

I am a bit surprised at your decision to close Commons:Deletion requests/File:Thompson Maksimir 17.6.2007 2.jpg as delete. Could you cite the policy for your decision to delete – as well as for your decision to close the issue without discussion. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 10:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Discussion" is not up to me. I recognize that that many more people will see a deletion than will see the DR, but nonetheless Admins considering closing DRs cannot generate discussion on their own. This DR had been open for eight days and, on the face of it this was a simple choice, with only the nom's comment.

My decision was fairly simple. There was no adverse comment. I have children and grandchildren of my own and know that teens sometimes do things that they will later regret. I felt that these boys should not have to carry this around with them for the rest of their lives. Although we are told by the uploader that they are in a public place, there is no solid evidence of that.

I should, probably, have looked for a talk page note, where I would have seen the notice of the previous DR. In view of that, I am reopening the discussion.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep – There is no ban on showing children carrying political symbols – especially if they are legal and adorned in their home countries.
    The real issue here is the double standard of nationalists in some of the counties of "New Europe". Locally they will openly support neo-Nazi or neo-Ustaše or neo-Whatever groups and carry pro-Fascist symbols. However, they are worried that news or evidence of this support reaches the Western "Jewish dominated" media. A case in point is this set of photographs I took last year at the annual Victory celebrations of the Estonian Waffen-SS legion. The photos were attacked on similar grounds here on Commons. Worst of all, the Estonian Security Police, who last year gave ample support to the party organizers, this year prevented me from exercising my right to freely travel in the EU as an EU citizen by imposing a ban on me entering Estonia during this year's celebrations. Wikimedia Commons should not take part in this kind of censorship. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 12:04, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The issue here is simple: could keeping these pictures cause real harm to two young boys who, as Jameslwoodward comments above, may later come to regret the statement they are making by wearing those t-shirts. And the answer is, of course it could. Protecting children against their own poor decisions is not censorship. UserVOBO (talk) 05:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete I am not favoring censorship. I have no problem at all with the Gallery cited above by Petri Krohn. I would have no problem with this image if the subjects were adults. I do, however, worry about children wearing symbols that they may or may not fully understand, particularly when they may or may not be in a public place -- remember that our uploader is not the photographer, so we are relying on a third hand assertion of where this photo was taken.     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I can understand your feelings. However, what is the Commons policy that you base your opinion on? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Commons:Photographs of identifiable people#Moral issues is very clear on the subject. The last sentence, in particular, is helpful:
"A snatched shot of a celebrity caught in an embarrassing position in a public place may well be acceptable to the community; a similar shot of an anonymous member of the public may or may not be acceptable, depending on what is shown and how it is presented."
Wearing politically charged tee shirts may prove embarrassing to these children. Whether the image is acceptable here is clearly a matter for discussion. There is also the question of whether, in fact, this image was taken in a public place.     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Putting a black strip over the eyes would be better than leaving the pictures the way they are, but deletion would still clearly be better yet, in ethical terms. Faces can sometimes be identified even if the eyes are hidden. And remember that the identification of these boys as neo-Nazis could potentially lead to them being murdered - not likely, but not impossible either. UserVOBO (talk) 05:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete Wikimedia Commons should not be in the business of helping to expose young children as neo-Nazis, thereby potentially exposing them not only to "embarrassment" but to physical violence. A black strip should be put over the eyes if the image is kept, but outright deletion is still the best option. UserVOBO (talk) 05:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep but pixellate the faces entirely (better than a black strip over the eyes), and delete the earlier unpixellated version from the file history. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 09:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

faces pixelated Kept. Mbdortmund (talk) 16:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

File:Thompson Maksimir 17.6.2007 2.jpg

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nothing to do with Thomposn (band) Croq (talk) 08:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Any proof? --Croq (talk) 22:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus to delete -FASTILY 08:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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