Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mathematics.pdf
Out of scope. Purely textual material such as plain-text versions of articles should be moved to wikipedia if appropriate. Jarekt (talk) 12:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 01:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
This is claimed to be an official document, It' is however a textbook, and there is no clear release under a 'free' license ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Also textbooks uploaded by Kerberosmansour ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
If you look at the top left corner of the book you will notice the stamp of the ministry of education. the test is an official document which they have produced and also themselves freely distribute on drop boxes. Example: the ebooks in http://portal.moe.gov.eg/elearning/Pages/tech-book.aspx pages lead to the following open drive https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=C4C09C0CD9587C38&id=C4C09C0CD9587C38%21308 all of which is listed as public as well. For these reasons its set under the {{PD-Egypt-official}} license category).. (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Egyptian_Intellectual_Property_Law_82_of_2002_(English).pdf)) The hope is to then add a wikisource index to then have a softcopy online. --Kerberosmansour (talk) 00:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC) sorry bit confused there is a user that said this is still not deleted when there a box at the top of the page which says it has (and hence I raised the points above to the other page to justify it being undeleted.
In short the file is an official government file which puts it under the above license and that the government themselves distribute it freely on a public open drive.--Kerberosmansour (talk) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- A clarification: the discussion on the top is related to a different file hat shared the same name and was deleted in 2013. Ok so the uploader justifies the {{PD-Egypt-official}} by claiming that any work with ministry of education stamp is an "official document". I am not convinced since examples of the "official documents" are: "laws, regulations, resolutions and decisions, international conventions, court decisions, award of arbitrators and decisions of administrative committees having judicial competence". All those sound quite official and a math textbook does not seem to fit in that set. --Jarekt (talk) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- The logical soloution would of course be for the Egyptian Ministry concerned to do a formal release under an OGL like license. However given the rather complex situation in Egypt right now, I'm not sure that's a viable option.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:24, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks guys, I do have an update, before Wikimania London ended I did have a talk with Luis Villa, who is the Deputy General Counsel at Wikimedia Foundation. He was quite supportive and encouraged me to continue. I was quite clear on the points raised above and was quite open about the complications as ShakespeareFan00 (talk) pointed out. Additionally I will notify the Ministry of Education in the upcoming weeks. I have had tremendous support form various charities with close ties to the Ministry of Education, so this work will be brought to their attention in the next few weeks, and I'll make sure Wikimedia will be notified and I will make sure I cc Wikimedia's legal council for visibility when requiredKerberosmansour (talk) 20:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Kerbromansour, Thanks.. Bear in mind some of the textbooks might be well suited to Arabic Wikisource as well as the English one. I will also note that archive.org appears to have a Foreign Service Institute course on Arabic. Perhaps a combination of the Egyptian material and the FSI material at archive.org , could be used in (conjunction with native speakers) to develop a comprehensive entry level Arabic course on Wiikibooks/Wikiversity?
ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
The goal is to upload the Egyptian curriculum material into wikicommons (arabic section mainly, but there are french and english books as well so apologies if I got this wrong initially). After that the intention is to use wikisource to create a digital version of the books which is open to the community. I have already done so as test (and was lucky enough to sit down and talk to the developer of wikisource alst weekend) and whats great about it is the create book option which allows users to select pages they like, and download them as a PDF/Ebook/Physical copy. This is Ideal for revision, where you only want the important bits. It also means if the curriculum is ever updated so will the book in wiki commons and so will the pages in wikisource, prompting the editors to update the content.
This is great for a few things 1) wikisource cares that their entries reflect the physical/scanned content, essentially the entries should be digital copies. So by design its good for the Ministry of Educational because its a platform which strives to be as close as the original content as possible. 2) Its great for the community as the content in wiki commons could be used on wikipedia and elsewhere, easily searchable, debated and feedback provided 3) Its great for the students because they can tailor their studies to content specific to their classes, their exams and they can download custom versions of the curriculum to the pages / notes that they want/need.
This is the reason I am focusing on Wikisource (and why I was recommended to upload the educational material to wiki commons first). Wikiversity as far as I can see is cannot be edited/structured by curriculum it feels very monolithic in its design. I would love it if I could structure it by curriculum (e.g. by American High school, UK GCHE, International Bacaloria etc..). Not sure but basically After the content is on wikisource the articles or indexes as they are called there will be linked/cross-referenced from other wikipedia articles and other parts of the wikimedia foundation (still working that one out).
The problem with the Egyptian curriculum are main 1) out of date 2) factual/grammatical errors 3) Government needs help for elearning platform etc.. (as I noted earlier the government uploaded all the content on a public open drive for anyone online to download and us, hosted on Microsoft ) I think this is an ideal place for this type of conversation, and I am looking forward to getting the Ministry of Education's feedback. It will probably take two weeks to reach out to them and probably a little bit longer to hear back from them.--Kerberosmansour (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment, OTRS confirmation would be ideal, but the above explanation appears to cover the concerns I had. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Apparently ok? -FASTILY 19:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC)