Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Euro coins (Malta)

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Category:Euro coins (Malta)

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Not the category itself, but all of the images currently in it, except one. Maltese coins are copyrighted and since these are all Euros, they all have a long time left on their copyrights. These are:

Note that File:MTeur1.jpg is not on the list -- the image of each coin is de minimus
Use of images of the country side of the coins is clearly prohibited, see Commons:Currency#Malta.
As for the EU side, the EU rules severely limit derivative works, see Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Money-EU      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong, these images are correctly licenced by the ECB according to its terms. The Maltese legislation does not apply to Euro coins, given that these rights have been transfered to the ECB which is the sole emitter of the currency, even if they were initially designed by the Maltese government.
Now those exclusive rights are no longer owned by the Maltese government (this was a condition required by the European legislation, that all Euro coins and bills coudl be used throughout the European Union under the same conditions, with a strict equivalence). The ECB just requires citing the source of these applicable copyrights (including in derivatives).
The question of derivatives from works published on the Maltese back website does not apply to the documents whose rights are not owned by the Maltese government or the website's authors, that publish the European designs under agreement.
For information purpose, and at the presented resolution, there's no risk of counterfeighting the currency where it is used here for educational purpose. Derivation is certinaly possible as long as there's no attempt to counterfeight the euro currency.
May be those images should contain an additional watermark like "SPECIMEN", but anyway, the category itself is not violating any term, and is not different from other categories for currencies. The category even helps sorting those images and verifying their applicable licences.
All the images about euro coins and euro bills have the same conditions and are governed by the same laws. If you think that there's a copyvio, then all images of Euro coins and bills should be deleted at the same time for exactly the same reason.
The question will be different for commemorative coins, given that they don't have legal tender in all countries.
verdy_p (talk) 21:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Further notes: almost all images on Commons are copyrighted (a extremely tiny part is in fact in the public domain, for which no prior licence or written permission or registration is necessary).
The copyright itself (including with a "copyleft" licence such as the GPL or permissive OSI licences like BSD and MIT licences) is definitely not a problem. Only the terms of the applicable licence should be considered: right of republication, and right of creating derivatives (even if this right is limited by some other requirements to respect, such as citing the source, a copyright obligation, or limiting the resolution, size, or nature of the reproduction, or adding some "SPECIMEN" word on top of the image with a minimal size to avoid counterfeighting true currencies).
verdy_p (talk) 21:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: Malta does not have a copyright exception for currency, and according to the ECB the copyright on the national side is decided by its member states; and as Malta does not have an exception for currency and non of these designs is in the public domain for other reasons, they must be deleted. This is not a matter of "counterfeiting", but a matter of "copyright", namely the copyright on the artwork that is the national side of a Euro coin. Kameraad Pjotr 10:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The copyright of an artwork of a currency has never been an issue anywhere. At least I haven't heard or read anything about that. Do you have a source for that designer's copyright? The claim of ECB's rights over any euro coins seems very more likely. 85.217.43.85 16:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted per discussion above and at Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Euro coin common face      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 19:17, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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