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This image is not the complete cover, just the front. We can't select portions of objects and declare them ineligible for copyright because the portion that we see shows only text. In this case, there is an image of Gore Vidal on the back cover. Postdlf should know better. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is this a joke? You can't be serious. We can only judge an image's copyrightability based on the content of that image itself, not based on what it doesn't contain (??), and this only contains two words and three names—it is completely ineligible for copyright under U.S. law. I also shouldn't have to state that it is standard practice to use a book's front cover to identify that book (check any online book seller, or any Wikipedia article on books), so complaining that the back cover is omitted is absurd. Postdlf (talk) 04:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't claiming that the image of the front cover is not copyrightable, you are claiming that the front cover itself is not copyrightable. This is simply not true. The cover is copyrightable and there is no reason to assume that it is not therefore copyrighted. Standard practice for identifying books has no bearing on claims of copyright. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is this distinction you are claiming between an image of the front cover and the front cover itself, and what's the consequence you're claiming in that? The front cover is a two dimensional work, so a scan of it is just a slavish copy just the same as if we scanned a photograph or painting. And that front cover consists only of uncopyrightable, brief text (an article, a noun, and three names: "A Novel / Burr / Gore Vidal"), which therefore makes the cover uncopyrightable under U.S. law as being insufficiently original. That's not an assumption. That's why we have Template:PD-text. I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-text on Wikipedia is written more clearly (or at least concisely) in that regard, but they appear to reflect the same principle. Maybe I should have used Template:PD-textlogo instead? Regardless, how you can make the bizarre claim you've made about copyright law given those templates is beyond me. Postdlf (talk) 16:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to keep it simple. There really is no "front cover" shown here. A hardcover book such as this typically has a "dust jacket" which wraps around the book. You may consider the part on the front to be the "front cover" but the dust jacket covers both the front, back, and spine of the book, as well as folding inside the front and back covers. If the whole of the dust jacket contained nothing but text and simple shapes it would not be copyrightable (in the US). That would be extremely unusual, and is not the case here. Do you get it now? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are trying to claim the content of this image is copyrightable solely based on content not actually included in this image. Which is not how it works. Postdlf (talk) 17:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That is not what I am claiming at all. I am stating that design of the dust jacket is copyrightable and almost certainly copyrighted. You can't get around that by only showing the parts that suit you. Sorry. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
From where did you get this phantom limb theory of copyright, such that omitted parts somehow remain attached to give the sensation of copyrightability to parts that do not have it? Postdlf (talk) 18:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The threshold of originality is a concept in copyright law that is used to assess whether or not a particular work can be copyrighted." The "work" here is the design of the entire dust jacket, not just a part of it. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict) H5, I don't have a kilogram of hashish handy, I may need to go shopping before I can see the whole cover that you're talking about. <Peny leaves to go shopping> Back later !! Penyulap☏18:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Except the entire dust jacket is not copied here, nothing in copyright law or Commons policy forbids cropping or partial copying, and copyright does not attach indivisibly to a work or object such that individual uncopyrightable elements included in a copyrighted work magically retain the copyrightability of the other elements even after they are separated out. We judge the copyrightability of an image file only based on what that image itself copies or contains, not at all based on what has not been copied. Postdlf (talk) 18:31, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is this nomination just a troll, I mean, is this supposed to be a serious DR ? I would support a speedy keep.
Delicious carbuncle, DR is for having images that are capable of being copyright discussed, it's not a venue to abuse and torture welcome contributors in good standing. Wasting everyone's time is unhelpful. Penyulap☏17:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I came up with the whole 'time wasting' thing, and what, repeating me, back to me, is supposed to impress me?. Right. Ok, I'm a bit busy right now, I'll put it on my list of things to do tomorrow, ('try to be impressed with witty come-backs that aren't witty'). Is that ok with you ? it wasn't urgent was it ? Penyulap☏18:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per{{PD-Text}} as the nominator should know better. This is the same as saying that if I photograph the Eiffel Tower this is a copyright violation as the La Défense is located in the same city. Tm (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep: A font is almost always chosen and is just generally never considered an "artwork decision" eligible for copyright. FDMS 4 20:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Соответственно доказать что оно содержит подложную лицензию вы не сможете при всём желании. Вопрос о передаче прав решался в конфиденциальной переписке между фотографом и залившим и вы её тоже под сомнение поставить не можете по понятным причинам. А основываться только на том, что в русской вики заливший ошибся при оформлении... дык надо было просто подправить. --ze-dan (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Вопрос о передаче прав решался в конфиденциальной переписке между фотографом и залившим и вы её тоже под сомнение поставить не можете по понятным причинам." Вы говорите это как агент OTRS и при этом не ставите шаблон с номером разрешения? В отношении авторских прав - не то что бы презумция виновности, но близко к тому; пока что файл по всем признакам должен быть удалён. Анастасия Львоваru (ru-n, en-2) 05:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Потому и не поставил номер ибо перелицензировать там нечего, но оставил ссылку на СО файла что бы могущие могли глянуть. И я таки и у вас спрошу: где криминал в этом файле? В ру-Вики его выставили на удаления из-за того, что там оформление кривое было (заливший в шаблоне карточки файла удалил фигурную скобку). То есть у вас тоже абсолютно никаких доказательств злого умысла нет.
Ну и на десерт интересно послушать вашу версию об этих двух картинках: раз и два :-) Выскажетесь, а потом я расскажу как с ними было в реале. А уж потом поищем общее с текущей номинацией. --ze-dan (talk) 10:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Kept: В случае, когда загрузивший и автор разрешения - разные люди, лучше номер тикета все равно ставить, т.к. если будет загружен файл участником VasyaKirillov, а в описании будет автор - Petr Ivanov, то несмотря на то, нагуглят его где-либо или нет, есть EXIF или нет, с высокой степенью вероятности файл удалят. Пометил файл и номинацию закрываю. rubin16 (talk) 17:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I can't isolate an original source to determine whether this is old enough to qualify for PD. It's all over Google Images, though, and it's definitely not the uploader's own work. (ESkog)(Talk)03:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Although I can't find the source, this image, like the other two the user uploaded, is obviously the work of a professional sports photographer and a copyvio Rrburke (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Out of scope. Personal photograph with no apparent usage here. Additionally, chosen filename indicates this may be some sort of attack page. (ESkog)(Talk)03:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Google Images shows various possible sources. Based on the other works from this uploader here and at en-wp, I'm not really inclined to believe the claim of self-creation. (ESkog)(Talk)05:17, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Creativecommons.org is CC-BY, so screenshots may be released with attribution. However this photograph appears to be a camera photograph of a physical screen rather than taking a software screenshot, the resultant quality is unlikely to be realistically useful. Fæ (talk) 07:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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This logo has sufficient creativity to be copyrightable and would require a release from the FCA to be retained. I note it appears at higher resolution in many places on the internet. Fæ (talk) 07:03, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Uploaded in 2010 by User:Sgiraldoa this file seems to be manipulated, mounted and derivated from http://www.flickr.com/photos/11269526@N05/1350871309 (2007, by "wickedman", all rights reserved) and an additional, unknown source. Both images are 800x600. Overlapping both in Photoshop there are absolut no differences regarding the mountain skyline, cloud formation etc. The "cut-line" seems to be the mysterious fog bank in the middle of the image to cover the montage. Summarizing: Unrealistic montage with copyrighted parts. Gunnex (talk) 08:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep (as uploader and creator). As far as I can understand the French text, this has been nominated for being redundant to the SVG version. It is common practice though to have vector and bitmap versions of one and the same image, because both formats have their advantages. So unless this particular depiction is faulty, the deletion rationale is irrelevant. De728631 (talk) 15:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I just saw your answer, in fact, I'll tell you why I asked the deletion of the file.
I do a lot of research between Nordic Library in Paris and another in Stockholm with sources that I think the fairest possible.
But unfortunately, when I ask something (always with courtesy and politeness incidentally), I always feel that I mind.
So finally, the shield has imperfections, but if I ask to change, nobody will answer my worst ... demand will remain unanswered as the Queen Desideria...(19h24, le 13 Juin 2013 (UTC))
Honestly, that is not any reason to delete the file. We all do voluntary work here, and if your requests remain unanswered then that is either because people don't have time to write back or because there are some misunderstandings. Imperfections can be corrected, so instead of seeking deletion, please tell me or anyone else what should be fixed. You might also want to ask the Commons:Graphic Lab for assistance. De728631 (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep (as uploader and creator). The deletion rationale is faulty because a version without listel does already exist at File:Blason_de_Charles_XIV_Jean_de_Suède.svg. Other people might want to use an image with listel though, so this one should should stay. I should also note that it was the nominator Dunkerqueenflandre who asked me to create this particular image with listel in the first place. De728631 (talk) 15:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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It also appears, for example, here. That site confusingly has a 2013 copyright notice although the event it is reporting occurred in 2012. - Sitush (talk) 11:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
PanIIT website copyright license renewed further for 2013 .Why is it confusing to sitush? Now,This is confusing,what was the reason of deletion(of image uploaded by Somnath Bharti (talk·contribs) ) at that time, Sitush forget to add that reason in hurry to nominate this deletion.Author User:Abhijeet Sinha Sinha has declared the ownership ,unles proved otherwise, don't delete this image. ThinkingYouth (talk) 17:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. EXIF data puts the lie to this image supposedly being from 2012. The image says it was created in 2010. Because of that every assertion about the image is cast in doubt. Binksternet (talk) 20:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Old postcard. NL wiki states from around 1960. Unclear who is the photographer, not self made. Copyright status unclear. -- Deadstar (msg) 14:34, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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This appears to be a contemporary (and thus copyrighted) photo of a historical reenactor instead of the historical figure himself. Gamaliel (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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No evidence presented that this is a US goverment work, it's not taken from a US govt website and the source has no photo credit. January (talk) 15:51, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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imho authorship not clear {see watermark}, 'bad quality', no 'educational use', and not in use, i.e. imho "out of scope", ~~ Roland zh 17:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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It's also a new version of the file windscreen_wiper.gif. I uploaded it twice. So this is the duplicate and should be deleted. Kemmi (talk) 19:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Broken image, reuploads looks like failed as seen in the file history. New upload necessary or should be delete because of the bad quality. Slick (talk) 20:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Broken image, reuploads looks like failed as seen in the file history. New upload necessary or should be delete because of the bad quality. Slick (talk) 20:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Broken image, reuploads looks like failed as seen in the file history. New upload necessary or should be delete because of the bad quality. Slick (talk) 20:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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These are all files of the same flickr user and it's very unlikely that the user actually created the images himself (File:22 eduardospohr 250x293.jpg is copyrighted according to the exif). I tried to blacklist that user, but appartently that's a thing only admins can do.
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This file was initially tagged by Moldmark as Speedy (speedydelete) and the most recent rationale was: Inaccurate, wrong sizes Converted by me to DR, as this doesn't seem a valid speedy-rationale. -- Túrelio (talk) 06:31, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Uploader is not creator of this painting. Painter died in 1941. Licensed with a self-license. Maybe a different license could apply? -- Deadstar (msg) 14:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Historically inaccurate and unsourced, does not look like any lion in use by the Norwegian royal family or government. Fry1989eh?16:59, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If this file is deleted, File:Royal Standard of Norway.svg should be deleted as well - likewise historically inaccurate and unsourced, and it has the same uploader (Ssolbergj). Alternatively it may be reverted to the september 2007 version, which has a stated source. BjørnN (talk) 19:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep, Fry has yet to show any source for the other flag. And he has shown a incredibly bellicose attitude borderline edit warring on nb.wiki. Profoss (talk) 20:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Roede has shown a lot of sources which supports this flag as the actual flag. And you are arguing with people who live a short jog from the palace where the actual flag is flown. I haven't seen a single source supporting your claim, only mentioning "plenty of sources" does not mean they actually exists. And why did Roede have to go through a cumbersome OTRS process to prove that he is indeed the person behind the image. Do I have to do the same for all the SVG location maps I've made over the years...? Profoss (talk) 20:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Neither Roede's file or this one look anything like the real thing. This version in particular looks like a child drew it. The real thing is far more detailed, even according to Roede's own sources. The other file may not be identical, but it's miles closer to reality. And OTRS is not as cumbersome as Profoss would suggest, I was able to get through it in about a day and a half for a file I uploaded which needed permission. Fry1989eh?01:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see any sources that show that File:Royal Standard of Norway.svg is closer to the original, and that's because it's a fantasy product. For your information, a Canadian (pretty far from where this flag is used) claiming that the other "does not look anything like the real thing" is not a valid source. Anyway, files are deleted because of copyright violations, not if they don't look exactly like the real version, so I guess your prefered version can be kept as well. Haakon K (talk) 08:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh here it comes, the old "You're not from here, so you couldn't possibly know our ways/customs/laws/flags/whatever else" racist diatribe. People from all over the world are perfectly capable of educating themselves about another country's affairs. Your statement is the irrelevant cry of the desperate. Fry1989eh?16:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you haven't put forward a single shred of evidence for the other flag being an actual flag, and btw, I'm still curious why Roede had to go through a OTRS and I have never had to do that with my location maps. Profoss (talk) 07:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, to date I haven't seen a single one, leading me to think that these sources does not exist in the first place. Profoss (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
One of the oldest known versions of the Norwegian Royal LionI have asked about the flags used by the royal family before the present flag, but so far with no reply. Its only a few days ago and I don't expect an answer in several weeks. The present flag and its history is although available from several sources. Older versions of the lion can differ substantially from the stylish lion used today, like this image from an old sailors home at Veiholmen at Nordmøre on the Norwegian coastline. And of course then you have this one. I think it would be most useful if Roede and other editors from the Norwegian Wikipedia community could document the history and changes of the Norwegian flag. Jeblad (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
From the supplier of official flags; Norsk Flaggfabrikk: Stolte norske øyeblikk (Norwegian, but just scroll down to the end of the brochure) This page should be fairly easy to understand for someone that don't speak Norwegian.
From the national archives; Arkivverket: 190 år med rødt, hvitt og blått! (Norwegian, note the seal on the first page as the lion is shown to the left. Colors on the flag is known to be gold with a silver axe on a red background.)
It seems like the original drawings for the flag from 1906 is at w:no:Norsk Folkemuseum, and they probably got there from the factory that made that forst flag. This is according to what Roede says, and he should know this kind of stuff. Jeblad (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, where? I haven't seen any, so please do repeat those sources. Cause I'm curious just how I have managed to reject sources I haven't seen. Profoss (talk) 06:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Seal of duchess Ingegjørg Håkonsdatter
Sorry, Jeblad, your file:Hertuginne Ingebjørg Haakonsdatter PI XXI 3.jpg shows the Swedish Bjälbo or Folkunge lion, the arms of her husband, duke Erik Magnusson av Södermanland. Her great coat of arms (right) shows banners with the lions of both kingdoms as well as the helms and crests traditionally used for the respectiv arms. You are right to argue that details of the royal standards may have varied during these 108 years. That depends on the techniques used for manufacturing them, whether the lion is painted, appliquéed or sewn in as a piece of yellow fabric. Painted or embroidered lions will allow for more detail than mere fabric. The basic fact is that royal flags have always been patterned on the official design by Eilif Peterssen. The flag plates in encyclopedias and flag books are very enlightening. They always show a flag with the lion outlined, but with few details. The eye and ear is always outlined, as well as some detail of the mane and crown. A very good example is the flag plate in Hvem-hva-hvor from 1946, published by Aftenposten, or the link to Skikk og bruk that I added to the English article on the royal standard. Some links get their illustrations from Flags of the World. The royal banner shown on that website is certainly based on flag books depicting Peterssen's version, but the lion by Željko Heimer has a very stooped posture, unlike Peterssens. Your link to Norsk Flaggfabrikk is the most convincing proof that my file Kongeflagg.png based on Peterssen is acceptable. They claim to be suppliers to the royal court, and in that case their illustrations confirm what all Norwegian contributors to this discussion have maintained - that Peterssen is the source to be trusted. Definitely not the fanciful, shaggy lion from the Danish encyclopedia. That is of course a very good drawing, very appealing and seductive. No wonder it became so popular in Wikipedia articles after it was uploaded to Commons. But its dainty curls are too frivolous and lack the austerity of Peterssens official drawing.
By the way, the drawings by Peterssen in the collections of Norsk Folkemuseum do no depict the royal flag, but the "Riksbanner" used during the coronation in 1906, and now exhibited (I believe) among other regalia in Erkebispegården, Trondheim. The central coat of arms embroidered on the red fabric is depicted here: [2]. I don't know where the original drawing for the coat of arms is located, I only know the printed version from the Lovtidende and from later articles on Norwegian heraldry. There may be no original drawing for the flag as such. In the resolution of 14 December 1905 there is only the blazon, no drawing. Then followed the royal resolution of 30 December, which defines the coat af arms both by description and drawing - Peterssens design. My guess is that royal standards were manufactured with the Peterssen drawing as the pattern, and that it was not necessary to make a specific flag drawing. A last comment: the link to Norsk Folkemuseum shows its present loge, based on coins from the 17th century. That logo from 1990 is my own work. Greetings to all from Lars Roede (talk) 21:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot to add that the file in question, Royal Standard of Norway as of 19 July 2009.svg, seems to be one of the many designs based on Željko Heimer's drawing for Flags fo the World. Its has a poor posture, and it is a bit too stylized. But then it was not meant to be much enlarged - the images in FOTW have low resolutions. It is probably no longer to be found in any articles, certainly not in the Norwegian articles, where it has been replaced by Kongeflagg.png. Roede (talk)
Kept: Commons is not the site to settle the dispute which of our media files comes closest to the Royal Standard of Norway. We can delete something if it is obviously mistaken and out of COM:SCOPE. But this is not the case here where Roede with his expert knowledge pleaded to keep this file. I would suggest, however, to extend the description of the file with the reasonings that support this design, i.e. how it is based on the design by Eilif Peterssen etc. --AFBorchert (talk) 16:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Leornard Benley is not the author or copyright-holder of this 1936Time magazine cover, only a person who uploaded th image to his Flickr account Rrburke (talk) 01:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy Delete as a copyvio. --18:37, 2 July 2013 (UTC) Uploader claims to be the subject and copyright-holder. File is now tagged {{nopermission}} pending resolution. Rrburke (talk) 00:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Can you ask the copyright holder to send an email with permission for unlimited, both commercial and non-commercial free use of the image. The publisher might be the copyright holder of the image, not Ms. Cremers. There are instructions and an email template in Dutch on this page: Commons:OTRS/nl. Thank you. -- Deadstar (msg) 10:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Modern watercolor illustration of unknown authorship and date, possibly modern enough to be copyrighted. Style might be anywhere between c.1800 and the mid-20th century. Fut.Perf.☼21:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Everyone can see" this? No, without a bit of experience with art history you cannot see such a thing. I have this kind of experience, and actually, the more I look at the detail the more I'm inclined to say it's 20th rather than 19th century, and most certainly not earlier than that. I might still be wrong, but if you think it's older then it's up to you to provide evidence. In fact, you ought to have never uploaded this file in the first place if you didn't know where it's from. Fut.Perf.☼17:16, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, strike that. It's actually a duplicate of an image that we already have, with correct attribution, under a different name: File:Sergiy Vasylkivskiy- Cossack mortar.jpg. There, it is attributed to one Serhii Vasylkivsky (1854–1917) (which seems to match the signature in the bottom left corner too), and dated to c.1900. So, well, I was right about the overall dating, but it happens to be just old enough to be PD. We could still delete this redundant copy (it's apparently not pixel-by-pixel identical, but it's not better than the other copy either). This should teach you to never take images from source websites that themselves don't vouch for their sources. Fut.Perf.☼17:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, by the way, now we still have a problem about what the picture is actually meant to show. Your caption claims it's an "Iranian artilleryman of the type serving in the Iranian armies of Shah Abbas I" in western Iran in the early 17th century. The other copy of the image claims it shows a Cossack artilleryman of the type serving under Ivan Mazepa in Ukraine around 1700. A Russian/Ukrainian context would certainly be more in line with the identity of the painter (Vasylkivsky spent most of his life painting Ukrainian Cossacks) and the location of the painting (apparently it's in the Artillery Museum in St. Petersburg). I don't know, but the guy certainly looks more like a Cossack than like an Iranian to me too. Fut.Perf.☼17:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Some nativity scenes are folk art, whereas others are not.[3] There is no evidence that these would be folk art - in fact, it is probable and even explicitly written that they're author's work. --Eleassar(t/p)15:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Per{{PD-Text}} as the nominator should know better. This is the same as saying that if I photograph the Eiffel Tower this is a copyright violation as the La Défense is located in the same city. Tm (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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