Commons:Deletion requests/All DSS2 Images from wikisky

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All DSS2 Images from wikisky

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from Special:LinkSearch/http://wikisky.org/wiki/Copyright - DSS2 images:

from Special:Search/DSS2:

from: Special:Search/SDSS:

from: Category:Digitized Sky Survey - DSS images are freely-useable for non-com that is not enough for Commons


DSS2 images from wikispy, Not free license, see wikisky:Copyright - DSS2 images and Commons_talk:Licensing#about_DSS2_images_from_wikispy shizhao (talk) 14:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. All DSS and DSS2 material is copyright and non-commercial TheDJ (talk) 10:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, for a minute I was rather confused by the Hubble mentions in some of these images. This appears to be a user error, because as far as I can determine, wikisky does not yet feature a collection of Hubble imagery for viewing. TheDJ (talk) 13:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have to rebase my assessment. Both DSS and DSS2 contain Hubble data (These are the GSC subsets of the DSS project). This photographic data would be Public Domain and thus allowed. It's just difficult to assess. It can be done relatively easy if the "crop link" is present. In that case you can click the "edit" link and see if it is Hubble data or something else... TheDJ (talk) 13:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added one image that uses SDSS layer of wikimap. All other images are NASA works, that only use SDSS coordinate and things like that. TheDJ (talk) 13:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have gone trough all the images.
    • basemap means it uses the nonfree allsky basemap from the DSS(2) project.
    • POSS2 the Palomar Observatory subset of DSS(2) - copyrighted nonfree
    • Some are good as is
    • Some can be changed to become good, and we delete older versions
    • Some are ASTROPHOTO, of which i have no info yet.
    • There is one composite derivative. ESO specifically states that all their material is CC-BY-SA unless indicated otherwise in the credit byline (not the case here). I think we therefore should assume that DSS has been informed about ESO using their material and releasing it as free and agree. It's a respectable organization.

This is all I have been able to find so far. TheDJ (talk) 14:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Important: DSS and DSS2 are two different projects. Be careful, please, and check which are DSS and which are DSS2. --Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 05:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I went through some of the images in the Category:Digitized Sky Survey. Most of the images are actually DSS2 even if in description they mentioned as just DSS. I used on-line survey query by [4] to verify origin of the images. Some images are quite popular (i.e. File:Pleiades large.jpg). Is it wise to start killing them all? Friendlystar (talk) 03:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow I was convinced that DSS1 is in public domain and only DSS2 is copyrighted. I wanted to verify it, but didn't find it [5]. Friendlystar (talk) 05:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Image:Pleiades large.jpg, check others. The Pleiades image, and possibly some others also appear on HubbleSite, whose copyright policy states that "Unless otherwise specifically stated, no claim to copyright is being asserted by STScI and it may be freely used as in the public domain in accordance with NASA's contract. However, it is requested that in any subsequent use of this work NASA and STScI be given appropriate acknowledgement. STScI further requests voluntary reporting of all use, derivative creation, and other alteration of this work...Individuals and institutions other than AURA/STScI and grantees of STScI whose work was funded by NASA are requested to state at the time they contribute materials for distribution on STScI websites whether they wish to claim any copyright restrictions. If they do not do so it will be assumed that no copyright restriction is claimed. Of course, such individuals and institutions will be given appropriate credit for their contributions. If they do claim copyright restrictions, an appropriate notice will be added to that particular material, and users who wish to down-load that material and distribute it further will have to obtain permission from the source of that material." There is no notice, ergo it is PD. This may apply to other images. --GW… 11:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Does it mean that all images that appear on hubblesite.org are automatically become public domain (unless otherwise specifically stated)? Anyway the license on the image above states "This file is in the public domain because it was created by NASA" that is not true. I'd love to keep the image as well as some other beautiful images i.e. File:Antares 3deg DSS2 WikiSky.jpg - Friendlystar (talk) 14:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, it does not necessarily mean that. However, NASA does happen to be credited for that image, and the Palomar Observatory is noted as the source. Hence, its listing for deletion is a rather grave, if honest, mistake made to list it and request deletion. By looking at The image's credits, it lists NASA, the ESA, and AURA/Caltech as the authors... We all know that all telescope images from NASA are public-domain, and meanwhile, AURA's page does not list Palomar images among its FAQ, though it does mention HST images are made under contract to NASA, and hence public domain. The ESA's page for the HST notes that all their Hubble images are released under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license. Lastly, taking a look at The FAQ for the DSS, of which the POSS is a part of, and hence the image is a part of, we see that for "non-profit activities, you may use them freely" In short:
  • NASA images are public domain, unless stated otherwise.
  • AURA/Caltech telescope images belong to NASA, and hence are public domain.
  • ESA Hubble images are available under a CC Attribution license.
  • DSS images are freely-useable for non-profit purposes, which would include the Wikimedia Foundation, as it is a non-profit organization.
  • SDSS does not own the image.
As the image is NOT made using the SDSS telescope at Apache Point Observatory, it is hence NOT part of the SDSS or SDSS2 projects, (it pre-dates the SDSS's beginning in 2000) and hence is erroneously listed here, it should most certainly not have the request for deletion tag. Requesting the deletion of a freely-usable image under the false grounds that it is non-free is a serious mistake, one which I find deeply disturbing, and hence I recommend the request for the deletion of Image:Pleiades large.jpg, as well as all derived images, be closed immediately. I also recommend that extensive review be taken of all other listed images, to see if they are a part of the SDSS/SDSS2 at all, rather than other surveys, such as the DSS.
I agree, it is not our responsibility to watch over what NASA does. NASA's material incl, the material published on Hubblesite is public domain by default. They state they will indicate when this is not the case (and they have done so in the past). As such, we can only determine they have covered the copyrights for this specific image, even if they have not. THEIR mistake, THEIR responsibility and someone will contact us if this is not the case. (As recently the photographer of the STS-128 image did, which was also a BIG error by NASA). TheDJ (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well unless VERY obvious of course. But in my opinion, this case is just too vague to assume that NASA did not do their work. TheDJ (talk) 15:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Finally, I urge everyone to be careful to tell which project each image is from. The SDSS/SDSS2 and the DSS are completely different surveys! The DSS was published in 1994, many years before SDSS survey began in 2000, let alone the SDSS2 in 2006. As I have outlined above, there is no question that the DSS photographs are free-use, even if there are questions about the SDSS/SDSS2 images. Thus, I urge everyone to be careful on making sure they attribute each image to the correct survey. In this case, all of the last list there, those from the DSS, are all free-use images because they are from the DSS. Nottheking (talk) 21:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:in this page permit use on wikimedia projectsAmir (talk) 08:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't read the page in its entirety:

This does not mean that these images can be used on Wikipedia however, per Wikipedia's own criteria for speedy deletion images that are only permited for non-commercial purposes or where only an exclusive permission for use on Wikipedia itself has been given will be speedy deleted.

And indeed, we have the same policy on Commons. –Tryphon☂ 09:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Status

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What is the status of Commons:Deletion requests/All DSS2 Images from wikisky? They appear to fall outside of Commons free use requirements. A note has been placed on Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mizar and Alcor.jpg requesting the image be moved back to the English Wikipedia. Could that be done for most of these? 84user (talk) 14:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it isn't allowed on Commons, then it isn't allowed on English Wikipedia either. I doubt this qualifies under en.wp's Fair Use policies. I'll ask on IRC if an admin can close this discussion. TheDJ (talk) 15:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Since DSS/DSS2 does not allow commercial use the images are not free enough for Commons. The images must therefore be deleted. Some images have been taken out of this DR because the original source was not DSS/DSS2. These images are therefore not deleted in this DR. Also File:RCW120 submillimetre emission.jpg has ESO for source and are therefore not deleted in this DR. --MGA73 (talk) 16:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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