Commons:Deletion requests/4 files uploaded by Cekli829 in 2013

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4 files uploaded by Cekli829 (talk · contribs) in 2013

Hi. Please help to remove these images.

• File:Eldar Əzizov, Hacı Salayev, Musa Qasımlı Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG
• File:Eldar Əzizov Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG
• File:Hacı Salayev Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG
• File:Musa Qasımlı Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG

I am the author of the picture. Please delete it.

Best regards, --►Cekli829 07:13, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I should add that the background images are protected by copyright. I am not their author. --►Cekli829 07:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Which of you other uploads are you not the copyright holder of? Krd 07:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Krd, others have appropriate licenses. For example, postage stamps or what I downloaded from "President.az". ►Cekli829 08:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Keep Files uploaded 10 years ago and in scope. I don't see a valid reason for deletion. --Ruthven (msg) 08:53, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  @Ruthven I think, uploading files 10 years ago cannot be grounds for retention. The author's request is a sufficient reason for its removal. ►Cekli829 10:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  That's totally untrue. Creative Commons licenses are irrevocable. We allow 1 week for courtesy deletions, and a bit longer sometimes. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  @Ikan Kekek, one of the people in the photo wants to be removed. ►Cekli829 12:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  First of all, I doubt that because you didn't give that as a reason, just saying "please delete it." Second, cite the law you violated. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  I'm more inclined to believe that's the real reason for this request. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:50, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  @Cekli829: Which person? See also Streisand effect.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 07:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Keep Useful images of people who have Wikipedia articles about them. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
•  Keep The license is irrevocable, and we are past the courtesy deletion period by 10 years. Downstream users will be affected by the removal of the license. --RAN (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
•  Keep Irrevocable license, and we've dealt with this issue recently, at Commons:Deletion requests/3 file in Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində; and in 2018 at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hacı Salayev Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG.. See also Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rza Talıbov (şəxsi foto).jpg. There is another, parallel, discussion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Musa Qasımlı Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG that needs to be closed in favour of this one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  I have closed the other discussion in favour of this one.[1] From Hill To Shore (talk) 18:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you. Notifying @Jeff G. and Ikan Kekek: who commented there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Keep 10 years is a long time to expect it go be deleted as a courtesy. Maybe it could be justified on privacy grounds, but I don't think so since these are semi-public figures and we already have plenty of images of them already anyway. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
•  Delete courtesy deletion. We already deleted much larger batches than that single, not so great picture. Enhancing999 (talk) 20:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
•  Keep: The pictures in the background are de minimis. File:Musa Qasımlı Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG is widely used so is implicitly of educational use. There's no obvious privacy violation here, in that the photo was taken in a museum, and based on the subjects' dress it looks like a reasonably formal occasion. If only one of the people has asked for the picture to be removed, I don't understand why the crops not showing that person should be removed as well. --bjh21 (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
•  Keep, courtesy deletions shouldn't be done a decade after the fact. It's not unlikely that several websites outside of the Wikimedia Commons already link to these images and photographs of people are already subject to personality rights so if the subject in question disagrees with personality rights violations they can take it up to the violators, our job is to host free educational media and we shouldn't arbitrarily decide to let users revoke these free licenses beyond a 7 (seven) day grace period. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

 Keep per COM:LRV.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 06:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 Comment This page was canvassed by the OP at COM:VP#A controversial issue.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 09:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cekli829, why would you like them deleted? What reason is there? Chamaemelum (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 Comment Please note that I have sent information regarding the main reason for deletion to the following e-mail: info-commons@wikimedia.org Please consider. If you provide another e-mail, I will send information there. --►Cekli829 05:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ruthven, you're a VRT member: do you have access to that?

If there's an actual request from one of the depicted persons, we should take that seriously. Unfortunately, Azerbaijan seems to be missing from Commons:Country specific consent requirements ... El Grafo (talk) 08:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@El Grafo please check the Commons_talk:Country_specific_consent_requirements#Azerbaijan page. ►Cekli829 05:39, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cekli829: What ticket number did you get?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 08:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cekli829 @El Grafo@Jeff G. We are talking about ticket:2023091410007112. In any case, it is not clear who asked to have his photo removed. I suppose that we can consider personality rights in this case. But this doesn't justify the deletion of the other portrait photos. Ruthven (msg) 14:06, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ruthven since it is confidential information, I cannot disclose it here. ►Cekli829 05:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cekli829 Then, please reply to the VRT mail, giving the two files that you have to remove because of personality rights. On VRT the information is maintained confidential. Ruthven (msg) 08:38, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Delete per nomination. If a person depicted in a picture contacts the author directly and requests the removal of their album and photographs, it raises a complex issue that involves legal, ethical, and personal considerations.

Deletion requests/4 files uploaded by Cekli829 in 2013

From a legal perspective, the rights of the subject and the photographer come into play. Generally, if a person's image is used without their consent in a way that could be deemed harmful or defamatory, they may have legal grounds to request its removal. From an ethical standpoint, respecting individuals' privacy and wishes is important. If the subject is uncomfortable with their images being used, it's generally considered respectful to take that into consideration. However, there are exceptions and nuances. For instance, if the photographs were taken in a public place where individuals generally have no reasonable expectation of privacy, or if the images were used in a context protected by freedom of speech (such as for journalistic, artistic, or educational purposes), the situation becomes more complex. Ultimately, resolving this issue would depend on a variety of factors, including the specific circumstances, applicable laws, the photographer's intentions, and their willingness to consider the subject's request. If in doubt, seeking legal advice from a professional with expertise in this area is advisable. Remember that I'm not a lawyer, so this information is not a substitute for professional legal advice. How in such cases can the author be helped so that, at the request of the person reflected in the picture, the uploader can delete the picture that he took and of which he was the author? I am writing to you with an additional question. In cases where the subject of a photograph contacts the author and requests the removal of the picture, it's important to approach the situation with empathy, respect, and open communication. Here are some steps that can be taken to help the author navigate this situation: Listen and Understand: Take the time to carefully read and understand the request. Consider the reasons behind it, and try to empathize with the person making the request. Review Legal Rights: Determine if there are any legal obligations or rights involved. This may involve consulting with a lawyer who specializes in photography and privacy laws. Evaluate Intent and Purpose: Consider the context in which the photograph was taken and published. Was it for personal use, artistic expression, journalistic purposes, or some other reason? Understanding the intent can help in making a decision. Contact the Subject: If appropriate and possible, have a respectful and open conversation with the subject. Understand their concerns and discuss potential solutions. This dialogue can be crucial in finding a resolution that satisfies both parties. Seek Consent or Negotiate: If the subject is open to it, discuss obtaining their consent for the use of the photograph. This might involve clarifying how and where the image will be used. Offer Alternatives: If the subject is uncomfortable with the specific image, consider whether there are alternative images that could be used instead. Update or Remove the Image: If it is agreed that the image should be removed or replaced, take the necessary steps to do so promptly. Document the Agreement: If an agreement is reached, consider documenting it in writing to avoid any future misunderstandings. Learn for the Future: Use this experience as an opportunity to understand the importance of obtaining consent and being mindful of the impact of your work on individuals. Remember, every situation is unique, and the approach will depend on various factors. If legal complexities arise or the situation is particularly sensitive, it is highly recommended to consult with a legal professional who specializes in this area. They can provide specific guidance based on the laws in your jurisdiction.

-- Elshad Iman^verified 07:49, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Where is your text copied from?

"if a person's image is used without their consent in a way that could be deemed harmful or defamatory" No argument, much less evidence, that either of these concerns apply has been advanced. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Elshad Iman,

This is an interesting use of ChatGPT, but I would probably summarize or edit its output a bit next time, so you retain the most useful/relevant parts. Chamaemelum (talk) 23:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Lol. I at least hid it so half the discussion isn't taken up with copy pasted ChatGPT nonsense. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• DELETE. "User comments" in Chinese show clearly this photo was published in social or some other media before coming here. What are you discussing? 186.174.143.153 12:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  What "User comments in Chinese"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  It looks like the EXIF data includes a "user comment" of "䔀䰀匀䠀䄀䐀䤀." I have tried putting the text through some online tools but they were unable to offer a translation. Hopefully a native speaker can advise on what it says. From Hill To Shore (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  These are not Chinese, but is incoherent/random characters. It doesn't mean anything. Chamaemelum (talk) 23:59, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Keep, this appears to me as just the same case as we had recently with Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Guard_fitness_program_shows_results_140523-Z-ZZ999-011.jpg. Enyavar (talk) 08:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
  • With the difference that these are comparatively public figures, so they have even less of a case for deletion. - Jmabel ! talk 21:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Kept: per discussion. --The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)