Commons:Deletion requests/2024/10/06

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Deletion requests on 6 October 2024

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File:Erudimus qui custodient terrae fertilitatem.jpg

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Not valid for Belgian FoP. A parliamentary document cited by the Belgian copyright rules policy page states the legal right "was not intended to apply inside of public museums or other buildings that are not permanently open to the public." The page description implies the location of the work: "Dean's Office of the Faculty of Bioscience Engineering, Ghent" (Google Translate-d), which does not appear to pass the public place requirement of the FoP law. The artwork author was Eva Decaluwé . JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


@JWilz12345  Keep I have the following arguments against your nomination:
  1. You are indirectly referring to a document that was attached to a draft version of the Belgium freedom of panorama law, that "public museums or other buildings that are not permanently open to the public" would not a considered to be public place. Are you really sure that the law would not be valid inside public buldings?
  2. The Google translation "Dean's Office" is misleading...
    • The wall painting is not in the private office of the dean but in the public part of the university building
--Geert Van Pamel 16:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Geertivp re: the first question. It depends on the status of school interiors as among the allowed public interiors as based in the spirit of the law. Tom-L mentioned at Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2016/07#Freedom of Panorama in Belgium the so-called Flemish communal laws that seem to include church indoors as public interiors. Plus, two online sources (now archived) – this and this – mention that public interiors that are not permanently open to the public, like museums, are not covered, as the artists who exhibited their works in these indoors do not expect permanent public exhibition of their works.
An important word mentioned in the VPC archive is "openbare plaatsen" – "places where access is not restricted to the private sphere." I don't think most school indoors are part of the "public sphere", though. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 22:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @JWilz12345 It is not just "a school", it is a building of the (in origin State-owned) University of Ghent. --Geert Van Pamel 09:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the following argument about the definition "public spaces", that was not restricted by the law:
Quoted from the document, point 2:
"Het toepassingsgebied van de uitzondering is niet beperkt tot openbare plaatsten in open lucht, zodat het ook werken omvat die permanent binnen in openbare gebouwen staan. De memorie van toelichting verduidelijkt dat het moet gaan om plaatsen die ‘permanent bereikbaar’ zijn en niet om ‘openbare musea of het interieur van gebouwen die niet permanent geopend zijn voor het publiek’. Nochtans is deze eis van ‘permanente bereikbaarheid’ – die de toepassing van de uitzondering verengt – niet terug te vinden in de tekst zelf van de uitzondering, zodat hier o.i. geen rekening mee dient te worden gehouden. Een duidelijke wettekst primeert immers boven een afwijkende memorie van toelichting."
Translation:
"The scope of the exception is not limited to public outdoor places, so that it also includes works permanently located inside public buildings. The memorandum of Explanatory Memorandum clarifies that these must be places that are ‘permanently accessible’ and not ‘public museums or the interior of buildings that are not permanently open to the public’. However, this requirement of ‘permanent accessibility’ - which extends the application of the exception - cannot be found in the text itself of the exception, so in my view it should not be taken into account. After all, a clear legal text prevails over an anomalous explanatory memorandum." --Geert Van Pamel 17:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Geertivp we need a text or source that explicitly states publicly-accessible indoors of schools or universities are covered by the Belgian FoP exception. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 22:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:THEOrussie.jpg

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likely copyrighted artwork. Translation from French description' Drawing by Jean-Pierre Boudet published in La Nouvelle République des Pyrénées to illustrate Le Voyage en Russie." Ooligan (talk) 04:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see - http://www.nrpyrenees.com/ appears to be "... La Nouvelle République des Pyrénées ..." -- Ooligan (talk) 04:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:PikiWiki Israel 72439 cultural heritage of israel.jpg

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picture without any information Pikiwiki - Israel free image collection project (talk) 08:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Skowronek Jerzy.jpg

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Photography probably from family archive, the uploader is a son of the person on a photo. This is obviously orphaned work and can't be in Wikimedia Commons according to Polish law. Jakub T. Jankiewicz (talk) 09:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Sudarshan Chakra Corps.png

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Old version Adiiitya (talk) 09:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


File:Trishakti Corps India.png

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Old version Adiiitya (talk) 09:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Files uploaded by Slovolyub (talk · contribs)

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Derivatives of modern artworks, no authors' permissions, no FoP in Ukraine.

Quick1984 (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Sex Non-Conforming Flag.svg

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Unused personal design with no evidence of real-world relevance or adoption Dronebogus (talk) 10:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not my design, and I'm personally not a big fan of it given its coiner excluded intersex people. But I've seen it on multiple LGBT wikis and other flags have followed its pattern, e.g. https://www.tumblr.com/sproutflags/733939885386366976/hormone-non-conforming-hnc
The term is in active use, e.g.: https://web.pdx.edu/~adinno/files/AETC%20SOGI%20Community%20of%20Practice%20DRAFT%20Glossary.pdf https://mspace.lib.umanitoba.ca/bitstreams/4bf6a7e7-66f0-4d25-a5cd-98c942c38946/download https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22sex+non-conforming%22&btnG=
I acknowledge it's not a widely used flag. But I think it still has educational merit for being the most common flag for a term that is actively used. There are some other SNC flags on Tumblr that don't appear to have left the Tumblr bubble (e.g. https://www.tumblr.com/mogai-angels/734376676906106880/part-three-of-my-altersex-flags ). That was my reasoning for uploading it. Intervex (talk) 20:16, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's also used here. Web-julio (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While Commons has a very low bar for inclusion, I still think “used on a Tumblr blog and a wiki” is below even that bar. We aren’t an indiscriminate collection of every free piece of media that exists. Dronebogus (talk) 13:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Low bar for notability issues, not for COM:INUSE relativization (in which many times, this is evoked in these discussions), especially cause lgbtqia.wiki uses MediaWiki and some of zer flags from Commons are used there (not exactly this one). Anyways, it seems ze is hosting zer flags somewhere else from now on (as ze was using Commons as a COM:WEBHOST). Web-julio (talk) 00:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some things:
1. I have had personal web hosting longer than I have been a user on Commons. I don't need to use Commons as a personal free web host nor do I understand Commons in this way.
2. Someone's personal hosting is not a reliable means of ensuring valuable educational/cultural materials remain available to the public. I don't even trust LGBTQIA+ wiki with that mission: they migrated hosts in 2022 and in the process lost the provenance of basically all of their image files.
3. Of the >4000 pride flags that I have saved on my personal web server, I see only a small minority belonging in scope of Commons. Before considering a pride flag for upload here, I ask myself:
  • Is this flag actively used? Can I find evidence of its use beyond Tumblr?
  • Does this flag have educational merit in teaching people about a marginalized identity group?
  • Is there established precedent for a flag like this being on the site?
4. I would like to reiterate that I did not make this flag and I don't even like it. I'm not picking random flags I like and uploading them.
5. I uploaded the flag because I consider it to have educational value. Flags are a means in which cultures and subcultures express themselves. The sex non-conforming community is an actual group of actual people and I think there is value in archiving their most commonly used flag.
6. Flags are a common means in the LGBTQIA+ community for teaching people about different subgroups of the community. As somebody who routinely educates people about intersex issues and complex relationships between gender and sex, I consider this flag pedagogically useful. It provides a useful foil to gender non-conformity, whose flag has been up on Commons since 2021.
7. The stated scope of Commons is that files should be realistically useful for educational purposes. Commons does not say it has to be realistically useful for every single user. I don't teach chemistry, but I still support chemistry people uploading whatever obscure chemical visualizations they say are useful for chemistry education. Intervex (talk) 06:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Files in Category:Twin paradox

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Per en:Talk:Twin paradox this is a compelling but factually misleading AI-generated representation of a 1911 thought experiment about an astronaut returning home to find that their twin sibling has aged. By specifically asking the AI to draw a "paradox", it has presumably looked to sci-fi films for inspiration added a dramatic glowing portal and some tendrils of electricity. But the thought experiment is just about an ordinary high-speed rocket flying away from Earth and back again, the two twins would not crackle with blue electricity when they met. Questionable COM:EDUSE for being misleading, and the only current project uses are additions by the uploader.

Belbury (talk) 13:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The files are in use in other wikis, and evidently any "artistic depiction" of a thought experiment will be misleading, as it has never happened. Theklan (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Depictions of described situations can be accurate or inaccurate. If File:Schrodingers cat.svg showed a cat eating a radioactive pellet and glowing with arcs of green electricity, its educational value would be questionable, and perhaps a net negative. Belbury (talk) 08:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment File is in use on w:en:Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup/AI images in non-AI contexts as an example of a removed unsuitable image. Dan Leonard (talk) 00:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not in itself a reason to keep the image, that page replaces entries with File:Image deleted logo.png if they are deleted at Commons. Belbury (talk) 20:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


File:Kolaż Helu 2022.jpg

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Very low resolution, probably not own work. 92.243.182.32 13:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is my own work, sorry for the resolution. The work is in no way a copy of another work, and comes 100% from me. 23stycznia2007 (talk) 20:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peder Winstrup

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2 images are not quite enough to justify a gallery Hjart (talk) 13:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Niels Ebbesen

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2 images doesn't quite justify a gallery Hjart (talk) 14:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Saga Masones & Libertadores de Waldo L. Parra recorte.jpg

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covers of books 87.205.169.187 14:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Cabbage Patch Kids dolls.jpg

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Doesn't this fall under COM:TOY regardless of the license the original photographer/source put on it? Ubcule (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh, probably. I did not know about COM:TOY. Jessamyn - Flickr Foundation (my talk page) 15:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Base Jump (2924228872).jpg

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This file was initially tagged by Bildersindtoll as Speedy (SD) and the most recent rationale was: F3 not a sufficiently original work, F3 does not apply to FOP issues ~TheImaCow (talk) 16:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Kaarsild in the evening.jpg

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no Commons:Freedom of panorama in Estonia Wkentaur (talk) 18:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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