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Nominated by:
Jebulon (talk) on 2010-05-04 22:59 (UTC) |
Scope:
Clos-Vougeot |
Reason:
This vineyard of bourgogne is one of the most famous in the world. This picture shows the buildings, the nature of the ground and the situation of a great part of the vineyard in the landscape of Burgundy. The photograph is not so bad. It's the best in the scope, I think. -- Jebulon (talk) |
- Question fr: has fr:Château du Clos de Vougeot and fr:Clos-vougeot (AOC), not the spelling clos vougeot? --Ikar.us (talk) 09:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I see, the article mentions the alternative spelling. But I'm afraid I have to
Oppose and set up a MVR. --Ikar.us (talk) 23:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Now I see that plants and ground are best visible on this image. So I'm Neutral and wait for the priorities of other reviewers. --Ikar.us (talk) 23:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Please, read carefully the reasons for nominating : on the other picture I don't see the buildings were the wine is made, I don't understand the geographical situation of the vineyard, I see a path but not the ground... And on this picture, I can see a great part of the enclosure, which is the wall in the background. Behind the wall, it's another vineyard, and not Clos-Vougeot (or Clos de Vougeot). Respectfully, I think that this MVR is not relevant...--Jebulon (talk) 22:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question What is its subject? I don't see the page used on any Pedia entry so I could not distinguish what is trying to be shown. The house? The vines (since it is labelled as a vineyard)? Both? France in general? It is hard to determine "Must illustrate its subject well." without some clarification. By the way, there seem to be many pictures in the category with some of a higher quality. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It is best candidate IMO. Good resolution, quality and composition is well illustrative --George Chernilevsky talk 15:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question By the way, shouldn't the spelling be "Clos-Vougeot", with a dash, to designate the vineyard? --Myrabella (talk) 09:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I took the liberty of amending the scope typo but let's wait for the nominator's confirmation. I was hesitating: in fact my favorite has long been File:Chateau du clos de Vougeot 2.JPG because there the building is less prominent and we can better see the undulating ground (and I prefer vineyards in autumn but it's a personal fancy). However the enclosure wall is more visible in the nominated image—it's an important feature—, and this one is of higher technical quality. --Myrabella (talk) 08:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with the scope amendment. The difference between 'clos-de-vougeot', 'Clos Vougeot', 'clos-vougeot' and 'Clos-Vougeot' (or Clos-de-Vougeot') is very subtle. But for the vineyard, as I understand, the best spelling seems to needing a dash. Next summer, I'll go to visit this location another time, and I'll ask local people for you. I'll try to take other views too. By the way, thanks everybody for this interesting review. For Ikar.us: yes, the win is made here. 80 owners, for 50 Hektaren. ---Jebulon (talk) 22:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tallies:
Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Ikar.us (talk) on 2010-05-07 23:23 (UTC) |
Scope:
Clos Vougeot |
Reason:
Clos means hedged terrain. This image shows the enclosing wall, the castle, vineyards and tourism. -- Ikar.us (talk) |
more relevant than the other one for a MVR. But I have to have a look in high resolution for understanding that it is here a vineyard... I think that the cultivation of vineyard (essential subject here) is more visible (stakes...) on the first picture.--Jebulon (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but for me, not being an oenophile, this is a geographical scope. --Ikar.us (talk) 22:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice try, elegant attempt. But I'm not rich enough to make you becoming an oenophile with such a wine !! :)--Jebulon (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks to this review, I've learned at least some basics about French wine. According to my insights, Clos de Vougeot is one of the most louche high-rank appellations... --Ikar.us (talk) 14:04, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- what do you mean with "louche" ?--Jebulon (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The appellation system is only based on the location and its natural ressources (soil and climate), not considering what the winemaker makes of it. This is anyway suspicious, especially if the appellation isn't a en:monopole (wine). And Clos vougeot has 80 owners.
- The regional distribution, as in File:Vignobles cotes de nuits-fr.svg and neighbour regions, shows a stripe structure, with lowest "regional" ranks in the most eastern stripe, with lowest elevation, while "Grand Cru" locations are small spots in the western, upper parts of the slopes. The only exception is the big blob of Clos Vougeot, which stretches all over from highest to lowest parts, altogether designated "Grand Cru". It's likely that this is a result of historic conditions rather than of exceptional natural conditions.
- Combining both facts, some people conclude that there are at least some participants who own only a small parcel in the lower part of Clos Vougeot, and who don't have excellent wine making abilities, and thus sell inferior wine with a "Grand Cru" appellation.
- --Ikar.us (talk) 10:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tallies:
Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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