Commons:Bots/Requests/JarBot

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Operator: جار_الله (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)

Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: ( Upload from Arabic projects (mainly Wikipedia and Wikisource) files that are in the copy to Commons category. They'll be uploaded in a maintenance category so that we can review them [1] [2])

Automatic or manually assisted: Automatic

Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): once in month

Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 1

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y

Programming language(s): python

جار الله (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

@EugeneZelenko: as per categories in Category:Files moved to Commons requiring review by source, files will be reviewed by Commons reviewers but also by Arabic projects users who are already aware about that since there is an ongoing discussion about exporting files in our local village pump. As you can see in my contributions for example, I'm already preparing the import by redirecting from templates like Arabic WP PD template to the one in Commons, so that even if you don't understand Arabic you will inderstand the license.--Helmoony (talk) 16:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question is not only linguistic. Different Wikipedias have different attitude toward copyrights and its enforcement. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@EugeneZelenko: In addition to our regular maintenance related to files (bots/reviewers), we have restricted the upload feature for new editors. To ask that feature [6] if you are not a reviewer you need to have already asked for uploading some pictures [7]. That way we can evaluate the quality of proposed pictures and how new users handle files. As you can see, the list of allowed users is quite restrive [8]. --Helmoony (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can anybody please summarize if there are unaddressed questions? If there is nothing remaining, I'd say this can be approved. --Krd 06:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be an overall lack of consensus on Arabian Wikipedia about the process for how this bot would work. One commented that they don't trust Commons because there files got deleted for no convincing reason, another mentioned copyright issues and perhaps images not being transferable due to licenses. Jeff G's valid questions remain unanswered and no test run has been attempted. I'd like to see this thing actually edit before we move forward here. ~riley (talk) 06:54, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@جار الله: is it possible to make a test (20 edits for example) as per @~riley: and reply to @Jeff G.: regarding edits per minute ? After the first run, we can upload pictures 1 time per month. It's engough for us in Arabic Wikipedia/Sister projects to review new free lisence pictures. If there is issues with some pictures we can review them by following Jarbot discussion page. --Helmoony (talk) 22:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Krd: For the record, all my questions remain unanswered. I am wary of unfilled required fields, one time runs with no logical explanation of why they will never need to run again, and people who won't answer simple questions. COM:PRP prevails.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 01:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, it was already noted twice above that your questions remain unanswered and the bot operator was pinged to respond. Give them some time. ~riley (talk) 07:21, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My main concern is who will clean up problematic files after transfer, since there are too little native Arabic speakers administrators. It's also hard to tell how good Arabic Wikipedia in copyrights issues. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @جار الله: This request requires open dialogue if you wish for it to be approved, please communicate answering the above questions and addressing the above concerns otherwise it will be closed as unsuccesful. In addition, a bot trial of (20-50 edits or uploads) is requested. ~riley (talk) 03:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • My concerns are: 1) Category incorrectly inputted (Category:Category), license issues, file history comment needs to say "Bot: Transferred from ar.wikipedia" rather than outputting messy wikitext and Template:Copy to Commons (Template:نقل إلى كومنز) needs to be automatically removed by the bot. Plese sort those out and upload an additional 5 images for us to review before continuing the trial. ~riley (talk) 04:16, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would say that thumbnail size images without EXIF are always suspicious and uploader history should be examined. If such preparations are not made in Arabic Wikipedia, I would vote against automatic transfers. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

i upload two file and i work to fix issues but now i can't upload any file i get abusefilter-warning-copyv2, any help to get rid of abusefilter-warning-copyv2, 1, 2.--جار الله (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Signing your posts on talk pages is required and it is a Commons guideline to sign your posts on deletion requests, undeletion requests, and noticeboards. To do so, simply add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments. Your user name or IP address (if you are not logged in) and a timestamp will then automatically be added when you save your comment. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion). Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 17:01, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is Filter 156. The bot will continue getting that warning for uploading small jpg files until it has reached 25 edits.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 17:01, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G. and ~riley: Thanks, now i transferred more than 5 file, is there anything need to fix?.--جار الله (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@جار الله: I started with the first of the new files, File:Toyota Bus-Train 01.jpg. It had "Permission=CC-BY-SA-2.0." That should just have been "Permission=", unless you wanted to move the actual license template into the Permission field. Also, the Flickr source disappeared in the transfer, and that source is now licensed CC-BY-ND 2.0, which we can't accept due to the ND (NoDerivs) clause, thus the file was deleted here. In fact, nothing from Flickr survived in the summary sections. The problems with File:Toyota Bus-Train 02.jpg were identical. File:Waaba6.jpg is different, I can see no upload logs for @Daif or en:User:Daif.en on enwp or arwp. Can you explain any of this?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:30, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: About File:Waaba6.jpg i am an administrator at arwiki and i can see the deleted version the user upload the file in arwiki
  • Daif.en the log does not appear in the url but it show there is a file upload.
  • Daif the log does not appear in the url but it show there is a file upload.
Do I understand your words CC-BY-SA-2.0 license is not acceptable in the Comens?.--جار الله (talk) 17:46, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@جار الله: "CC-BY-SA-2.0" license is acceptable here. "CC-BY-ND-2.0" license is not acceptable here. The characters "CC-BY-SA-2.0" in the Permission field are superfluous if there is a license in the license section.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:28, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Helmoony, Jeff G., and ~riley: is there any tips else?.--جار الله (talk) 03:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@جار الله: http://modernegypt.bibalex.org:80/Collections/Images/ImagesLucene.aspx is not specific enough as a source for File:رئيس وزراء مصر مصطفى النحاس وهو يوقع على معاهدة 1936.jpg and File:السادات قبل اغتيالة.jpg. Also, the latter file is cut off at the bottom. Was it cut off at ar.wikipedia? Can you find a complete version? Who is "we"?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:25, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: the point of this request is to see if the bot can transfer the images, after the approval, we can discuss what image can be transfer and what image can not transfer. now is there any issues with the bot work (not with image)? if there anything you want to fix please tell me, Thank you.--جار الله (talk) 02:37, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@جار الله: I have issues with whoever is selecting these files for transfer, and that person's attention to detail (or lack thereof).   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 03:13, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: How much does a picture with issues is able to stay in categories like Category:Files moved from ar.wikipedia to Commons requiring review without being deleted? After uploding them, just give us (Arabic projects community) a month or something like and we can review them with Commons tools and after bots review. An other thing, we can start uploding PDFs and pictures from Arabic Wikisource since they are in public domain and have less issues. We finish reviweing them and we can fix Arabic Wikipedia later. --Helmoony (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Helmoony: We have enough copyvios, thank you. What tools for reviewing uploads do we have on Commons that you don't have on Arabic projects? What can we do to make such tools available on Arabic projects?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 11:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Krd: all I can do fix the code issues if there any, and we will check files copyrights before transportation, and all this files will be in Category:Files moved from ar.wikipedia to Commons requiring review and you can check them and if there any problem you can give us some time before deleting them.--جار الله (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It appears there is still no consensus if the suggested way of file selection for the transfer is acceptable for the Commons community. Additional comments welcome. --Krd 05:44, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As there was no further feedback for nearly a month, I'm going to close this as declined for now. Please feel free to reopen at any time when there are new arguments. --Krd 05:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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