Commons:Administrators/Requests/Fredddie
- Support = 9; Oppose = 5; Neutral = 3 - 64% Result. Unsuccessful. EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Fredddie (talk · contributions (views) · deleted user contributions · recent activity (talk · project · deletion requests) · logs · block log · global contribs · CentralAuth)
- Scheduled to end: 06:23, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I'm Fredddie. I've been around for a few years, mainly in the U.S. Roads project area where I routinely create maps, route markers, and the occasional photo. A few months back I became an OTRS volunteer (info-en and permissions queues) and I feel my work on OTRS would be significantly facilitated by having the ability to delete/undelete/do things that I cannot do currently. I also have rollback and filemover flags. Thanks for your consideration. –Fredddie™ 06:23, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Votes
- Support Knowledgeable about copyright, has need of tools. --Rschen7754 06:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support Sure, why not. Knowledgeable about copyright like Rschen7754 says. For an OTRS agent the tools are handy. He is a good agent and a valuable member of this community. (As an OTRS agent you learn a lot about copyright) --Natuur12 (talk) 11:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Strong oppose 75 actions in the last 30 days is imho not enough. --Steinsplitter (talk) 09:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- That's still more active than a good number of the current Commons admins... --Rschen7754 09:13, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Steinsplitter, and as per the observation of Rillke below. Being an OTRS operative doesn't require adminship on the project, but if you were to gain more experience in DR's, copyright discussions, and other such maintenance areas of Commons, I would likely support in the future, but not right now. russavia (talk) 11:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Neutral per russavia. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 13:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning towards weak support. You're a prolific and valuable editor, and you've done a lot of good work. I can empathise with the difficulties OTRS agents sometimes face without the ability to use certain admin functions, but I think you probably need to establish yourself a little bit more. You've done some great OTRS work, and if you keep that up for another few months, you'll get a reputation as being someone who makes sensible judgements, and then somebody will probably nominate you just to reduce their own workload! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:20, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support for OTRS actions. Not all of his copyright experience can be publicly viewable due to the nature of OTRS tickets. Imzadi 1979 → 17:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support Having worked closely with this user on enwp, I am confident in his copyright knowledge (he has created lots of free graphics for the project) and trust him not to misuse the admin toolset. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 07:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Per Steinsplitter.--레비ReviD✉CM 11:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support Ja, Mann. Vogone (talk) 14:39, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support worth a try. Marcus Cyron (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support - This user is very knowledgeable in copyright, and the number of actions is not a problem as far as I'm concerned. TCN7JM 16:27, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose a good OTRS-worker but a bit too inactive IMO --High Contrast (talk) 15:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support--DangSunM (talk) 21:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose per Steinsplitter. Alan (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Support. Jianhui67 talk★contribs 08:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- Neutral per findings by Russavia and Steinsplitter. --Stefan4 (talk) 22:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Comments
- While you have contributed over 8500 edits to Wikimedia Commons (thanks!), less than 100 are in the Commons namespace and only about 25 of them are deletion-request-related with no complicated case, as far as I can see. Since you would like to work as OTRS volunteer, can you please point me to a page or location where you collected more copyright experience? This can be a link to another wiki, a contributions-page for a limited time-span, … Thanks in advance. -- Rillke(q?) 08:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- en:WT:AURD. Here, I had uploaded a set of route markers for use by the Australian roads project on en.wp. There was little-to-no doubt that the files were in the public domain in the US, but there was doubt about their status in Australia thanks to the threshold of originality. The files ended up being moved over to en.wp and tagged with
{{PD-ineligible-USonly}}
. –Fredddie™ 06:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, this sounds interesting. I never understood why Australia does not have the principle of a Threshold of Originality. Would it be possible comparing sections relevant to the Threshold of Originality in U.S. copyright law (point me to paragraphs or quote from it) with the relevant paragraphs in Australian copyright law? Case law is not required here as already listed at COM:TOO. Thanks in advance! -- Rillke(q?) 10:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- I will see what I can find. –Fredddie™ 01:51, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Great. Looking forward for your reply! -- Rillke(q?) 08:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Part III is nice and vague when it comes to determining an original work. So we have to rely on case law to determine where the TOO lies, unfortunately. However, there is Section 182A, but I really doubt the design of Australian route markers was directed by an Act of Parliament. –Fredddie™ 04:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- What makes you doubt that the design wasn't by a Act of Parliament (Federal or State)? Bidgee (talk) 05:03, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- en:WT:AURD. Here, I had uploaded a set of route markers for use by the Australian roads project on en.wp. There was little-to-no doubt that the files were in the public domain in the US, but there was doubt about their status in Australia thanks to the threshold of originality. The files ended up being moved over to en.wp and tagged with
- 75 actions in the last 30 days is imho not enough. We need active administrators to reduce the backlog. @Fredddie: Do you plan to help with closing DR's etc.? --Steinsplitter (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- I really don't think there is an answer that will make you change your mind about me. I freely admit I have never been a prolific editor in the Commons namespace. But that being said, I wouldn't have started this if I wasn't going to help at all. –Fredddie™ 01:51, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Some questions:
- Do you see any issues with File:Aleksei Pakhomenko.jpg?
- Do you see any issues with File:Recordings Paisley Beach - Powow Studio LA.JPG?
- Do you see any issues with File:Sagan biyegu 2012.jpg?
- Do you see any issues with File:Disgusting-Y-2013.jpg?
I will ask some others after you have answered these. russavia (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- All of these have to do with personality rights, but each have their own intricacies. I have added {{Personality rights}} to each of the file pages.
- Mr. Pakhomenko is a public official, but this photo was taken in a public space (press conference background gives it away) in Russia, so any use of this picture would require his consent if not used in state/social/public interest.
- This photo was taken in California, so their personality rights extend 70 pma.
- Taken in a private space in Nepal. Adding the personality rights template seems to have been sufficient for this former picture of the day, which is way more obvious, so I can't see why this would be any different.
- Argentine band and it's unclear who took the portraits that make up the image. Based on who submitted the OTRS ticket, I'm certain everybody in the image gave their consent for it to be published here. (Sidenote: I've never talked about a ticket at any length here before, so I don't know how much I'm able to divulge. I've always used the rule "Whatever happens on OTRS stays on OTRS".) Consent from everyone would need to be given to use the image outside of here. –Fredddie™ 05:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- The ticket for File:Aleksei Pakhomenko.jpg is in Russian, and it's probably not a language you understand? The file page here has a PD tag on it, but on OTRS the file is licenced under {{FAL}}. File:Recordings Paisley Beach - Powow Studio LA.JPG the OTRS is from one of the subjects in the image, but they state they are the author of the image; this is likely not possible, and OTRS really should probably come from the actual author, or at the very least further clarification should be sought as to whether it was a work for hire, etc to be able to ascertain the actual authorship and who is authorised to release it in to PD. File:Sagan biyegu 2012.jpg on OTRS is released under CC-BY-SA-3.0 as well as the {{GFDL}}, but this is missing from the file page. File:Disgusting-Y-2013.jpg I see the same possible concerns as you raised above; finding out the copyright holder on such images is important, especially if they are signed to a label, as often the label will have ownership not the band members. But as per the previous image, they also released the image under CC-BY-SA-3.0 plus the GFDL, but that is missing from the file page. These are just some examples of where attention to detail is especially important. russavia (talk) 22:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)