Category talk:Kangal Çoban Köpeği

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Category:Anatolian shepherd dog

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This cat seems to be a duplicate of another. E4024 (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Although I've had a couple of dogs in the past, I know very little about dog breeds. What made me open this cat into discussion is an observation that the dogs in this cat have a similarity with the dogs in the cat Category:Kangal Çoban Köpeği. Both cats have a gallery page and the dogs in these pages are also similar (not all, but most). Either we are speaking about two different breeds (and that some dog pics have been put into the wrong cat or wrong gallery page) or we have opened separate pages with the Turkish and English names of the same dog breed and therefore we should unite these two categories and the corresponding gallery pages. Am I wrong? --E4024 (talk) 13:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like two breeds to me: en:Kangal dog vs en:Anatolian Shepherd. Actually, the former article even says, "While similar in appearance, the Kangal is a separate breed from the Anatolian Shepherd." - Themightyquill (talk) 13:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the Wikidata data. I hope -and I really hope- someone who knows these breeds corrects the cats in the pictures; I mean those cats which could be wrong. My 2 cents... --E4024 (talk) 13:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, the item on "Anatolian shepherd dog" in Wikidata uses the File:Kangal-welpen-de 003.jpg as "image of the item". As the image title has the word "Kangal" in it, I guess either it is an "Anatolian shepherd dog" pictured in Kangal or the owner has named the animal "Kangal", or perhaps the confusion is bigger than I'm concerned about. --E4024 (talk) 13:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As the FCI has renamed Anatolian Shepherd as Kangal Shepherd (since 2018), I think these two categories should definitely be merged together. Preferably under the name Kangal Shepherd or Kangal Çoban Köpeği because that's how it is now known both in the country of origin, Turkey, and in the FCI. Canarian (talk) 17:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Canarian, above you say "I think these two categories should definitely be merged together" but then you make this one a subcat of the other one. Quo vadis? --E4024 (talk) 12:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is a slightly complex one, in Turkey locals recognise w:Kangal Shepherd Dogs and w:Akbash dogs (along with a couple of other breeds). In the 1960s some of both breeds were imported into the US where they were believed to be of the one breed and given the name Anatolian Shepherd Dog, and these dogs became internationally recognised as Turkey’s national breed by everyone except ... the Turks. What followed were recriminations, Turkish breeders refused to recognise these American dogs as their own, claiming they were crossbreeds, and the American breeders accused the Turkish breeders of trying to invent new breeds to swindle unknowing foreigners. Anyway, in the last few years the w:Fédération Cynologique Internationale has recognised the Kangal (not the Anatolian), and have convinced the Cynology Federation of Turkey to drop the stick and accept what the western world used to know as Anatolian Shepherds as Kangals (confusingly the American Kennel Club refuses to rename their Anatolians and the Kennel Club in Britain recognises both separately, the latter a result of legal challenges decades ago).
Now that I have completely muddied everyone’s understanding, I think they should be merged as the Cynology Federation of Turkey has permitted the merger of the breeds/crossbreeds. Cavalryman (talk) 20:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Hello All, thanks for the ping. For a Turkish dog, I believe that we should go with what the Turks think, which is what the FCI thinks along with an international breed standard. This is an international and not a US breed - what the AKC thinks is largely irrelevant. William Harris (talk) 00:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Closure time?

Hello Themightyquill, I think after almost four years there has emerged consensus to merge these categories Category:Kangal Çoban Köpeği. When you made your contribution almost four years ago separate categories were likely warranted, as you will not doubt see the enwiki articles have similarly been merged. Are you happy for this to proceed? Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 08:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Cavalryman, William Harris, and E4024: I'd be happy to merge them. You think Category:Kangal Çoban Köpeği is better than Category:Kangal Shepherd Dog (per en:Kangal Shepherd Dog)? - Themightyquill (talk) 07:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Themightyquill: , thank you for the ping. I am happy with the current category name as that is the Turkish language name for the breed (per the Turkish Kennel Club [1]). Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 09:29, 6 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]
I concur - Turkish dog, Turkish name. William Harris (talk) 10:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merged to Category:Kangal Çoban Köpeği Themightyquill (talk) 18:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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