oppose - For myself, I'm not so interested as sounding more or less erudite (Geography is NOT a science, but a classification discipline focused on places and locations within such areas) as much as providing a clear and consistent title that fits with other categorizations. Notice that the PARENT, upper level category PLACES has been consistently in place <g> since 2004, so the name is consistent. Further, the sub-cats are not point sources, but surrounds containing many locations (however un-erudite), much as an place address for an apartment house has dozens of apartments. Cities are not a single location, nor are continents, landforms, countries, oceans or seas, nor regions. Such classifications are mathematically SETS of Locations--perhaps an infinite number of such points in strict theory, should we wish to be more erudite; but does classifying them mathematically make them more understandable? Nay, for Places and Locations are dependent upon context and scope of the discussion, perhaps equivalent only when both are items on a list. Places often convey a social meaning, that is understood because the name is so common, New York and London references are rarely misunderstood for they have an intrinsic uniqueness in cultural contexts. The former may sometimes be used in phrases to mean a state in the federal system of the USA, but references to the city in common usage far outweigh the references to the larger political surround; yet both are places which context makes plain in a well constructed sentence. NYC is far more similar to a 'location' than the State of New York, yet in discussion points, both are clearly places, however unfocused in location. In sum, places have a certain vagueness to them culturally, linguistically, and socially that carry other meanings, and each is a general collection of locations (i.e. addresses). One can know the place a friend lives (That 35 story high rise) without knowing the location of her apartment (unit number), and one can imagine sitting in her living room on either a couch or the green easy-chair, but also understand the former has 3-4 'seating locations' in that couchy place, but only one on the other. Locations, in short are more specific. Places more general, so hierarchically, both have differing shades of meaning. Given the general theme of places and it's position in the upper levels of classifications herein, I'd oppose any renaming for the forgoing reasoning. Place has had it's place here in the classifications system since the founding of the commons. I see no reason to change it. // FrankB06:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AgreeComment I agree with the new category "by location", but i think the most important thing has to be consistence with the geological category (and possibly with other similar earth science categories to be created, like "geodesy by location" i.e.): so i support both the changes or none of them. Ciaurlec (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just so we're clear on this, Places is a fundamental category very near the root in the well thought out scheme of overall classification worked out by the multilingually concerned META committees as the Wikimedia Foundation spawned sister projects. Changing such a fundamentally linked title should not be undertaken, nor suggested lightly.
Comment Further, localization issues need be considered. I've experienced discussions here where a seemingly straight forward English name (e.g. Traincar) apparently blows up and becomes an awkward construct in various other languages. Hence this decision should only be undertaken with vetting by Native speakers of non-English. In English, location and place can be considered effectively synonymous, so I fail to see any need for this change. Perhaps the nominator can give us a better rationale than his perception of how it appears to him. // FrankB17:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: closing stale discussion that seems to have no consensus for this anyway. I have however created Category:Geography by location, redirecting here. --P 1 9 9✉15:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
