Category talk:Climbing

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Discussion copied from Commons:Deletion_requests/Category:Rock_climbing

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Changing from speedy request by Rotpunkt (talk · contribs): speedy deletion reason was "All rock climbing images are already in Category:climbing by country and Category:climbing. This one is a duplicated category." --Closeapple (talk) 16:51, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just for your information, ALL sub-categories of category:climbing are about "Rock climbing". THIS is the problem. --Rotpunkt (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That is not true, see Category:Bottle crate climbing, Category:Cargo nets (climbing), Category:Industrial climbing, Category:Jungle gyms, or Category:Tree climbing. I think both categories should be kept. May be we can move all Rock climbing subcategories to Category:Rock climbing which then would be a sub category of category:climbing together with other categories I mentioned. --Jarekt (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but I never understood Category:Rock climbing and Category:Sport climbing‎. Almost all images in Category:climbing by country should go in both Category:Rock climbing and Category:Sport climbing‎. IMVHO It doesn't make any sense. --Rotpunkt (talk) 19:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As you know I write on wikipedia only about climbing. We should have something like "Rock climbing by country" (that exists already as "Climbing by country"). "Rock climbing" without "by country" doesn't make sense because there are too many images. --Rotpunkt (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I want to add another example.
This is because in our countries arrampicata/escalade/escalada has a primary meaning of "rock climbing". --Rotpunkt (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
About Category:Rock climbing and Category:Sport climbing‎. In US English the nomenclature seems to be that Rock climbing has 3 main styles: traditional climbing using "trad gear", Sport climbing of bolted routs and Bouldering using "crash pads". See more at Climbing style and Rock climbing. Also I agree that the content of Category:climbing by country should be moved to Category:Rock climbing by country and should contain only Rock climbing images. --Jarekt (talk) 19:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK! If you move "Climbing by country" in "Rock climbing by country" for me is ok. However I always considered "Climbing" as "Rock Climbing" (as a primary meaning). And in many other wikipedias the primary meaning for "Climbing" is "Rock climbing". --Rotpunkt (talk) 20:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the organization should be:

Climbing
Rock Climbing
Rock climbing by type
Sport climbing
Traditional climbing
Bouldering
Rock climbing by country
Rock climbing equipment
Rock climbing competitions‎
Rock climbers
Rock climbing signs
...
Bottle crate climbing
Cargo nets (climbing)
Industrial climbing,
Jungle gyms
Tree climbing
...

If it is OK with everybody, I can reorganize it. --Jarekt (talk) 20:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree we need to reorganize the categories but I see some problems here. For me it's wrong now putting "Rock" in front of everything like: "Rock climbing competitions‎" (competitions doesn't have rock) and also "rock climbers".
I am also thinking what to do about the common categories inside "Climbing in XYZCountry", like Category:Climbers from France‎ and Category:Climbing walls in France‎ inside Category:Climbing in France. --Rotpunkt (talk) 20:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I need some days for thinking about the reorganization! (I don't agree to put "rock" in front of everything, I prefer the current situation in this case). As I wrote before, using "Rock climbing" is common only in english wikipedia. The most important climbing magazine are named: www.climbing.com, www.ukclimbing.com, www.grimper.com, www.klettern.de, there isn't the word "rock". --Rotpunkt (talk) 20:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have re-checked the categories (also of other sports) and I have found the solution, only 1 change: adding "Category:Rock climbing in XYZCountry" as a CHILD of "Category:Climbing in XYZCountry" and as a CHILD of a new "Rock climbing by country". The same as: Category:Skiing by country => Category:Skiing in Austria => Category:Cross-country skiing in Austria. In this case Category:Cross-country skiing in Austria is a child of both: Category:Cross-country skiing by country and Category:Skiing in Austria. --Rotpunkt (talk) 21:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously in this way we don't delete Category:Rock climbing, we only put inside a new Category:Rock climbing by country. --Rotpunkt (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Thoughts about climbing categories

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Climbing categorization needs:

  • strong categorization by country: when I write a page about a (1) climbing area and (2) climber on wikipedia I write a page that is related to a COUNTRY. So I go to commons and FIRST I look for "by country". And 99% I find it.

In this view, only have a generic "Climbing by country" was ok for me. Having instead generic categories like "Rock climbing" and "Sport climbing" without the "by country" has the problem that are just too big.

So my "current" idea is (it's the same idea you find in: Skiing by coutry/Skiing in France):

Climbing
Climbing by country
Climbing in France
Bouldering in France
Climbing in Fontainebleau‎
A_single_image_of_bouldering_in_Annot.jpg
Climbers from France
Climbing walls in France
Ice climbing in France
Indoor climbing in France
Multi-pitch climbing in France
Climbing in Verdon Gorge‎
Sport climbing in France
Climbing in Buoux‎
Climbing in Céüse‎
Climbing in Verdon Gorge‎
Climbing in Volx‎
An_image_of_sport_climbing_in_unknown_area_in_France.jpg
Traditional climbing in France
Via ferrate in France
Climbing in Spain
Bouldering in Spain
A_single_image_of_bouldering_in_Barredo.jpg
A_single_image_of_bouldering_in_unknown_area_in_Spain.jpg
Climbers from Spain
Climbing walls in Spain
Ice climbing in Spain
Indoor climbing in Spain
Multi-pitch climbing in Spain
Climbing in El Chorro
Climbing in Montserrat‎
Sport climbing in Spain
Climbing in Siurana
Climbing in El Chorro
Climbing in Montserrat‎
Traditional climbing in Spain
Via ferrate in Spain
Climbing by type
Bouldering
Bouldering by country
An_image_of_bouldering_in_unknown_country.jpg
Climbing walls
Climbing walls by country
Ice climbing
Ice climbing by country
An_image_of_ice_climbing_in_unknown_country.jpg
Indoor climbing
Indoor climbing by country
An_image_of_indoor_climbing_in_unknown_country.jpg
Multi-pitch climbing‎
Multi-pitch climbing by country
An_image_of_multi-pitch_climbing_in_unknown_country.jpg
Sport climbing
Sport climbing by country
An_image_of_sport_climbing_in_unknown_country.jpg
Traditional climbing
Traditional climbing by country
An_image_of_traditional_climbing_in_unknown_country.jpg
Via ferrate
Via ferrate by country
An_image_of_via_ferrata_in_unknown_country.jpg
...
Bottle crate climbing (no need, by now, for a child cat. -by_country here)
Cargo nets (climbing) (no need, by now, for a child cat. -by_country here)
Industrial climbing (no need, by now, for a child -by_country here)
Jungle gyms (in case a child -by_country here)
Tree climbing (in case a child -by_country here)

Not all categories under "Climbing by type" must have "... by country". At least "Bouldering", "Climbing walls", "Indoor climbing", "Multi-pitch climbing", "Sport climbing", "Traditional climbing" and "Via ferrate" must have it. Perhaps "Climbing walls" and "Indoor climbing" could be merged.

--Rotpunkt (talk) 11:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think your proposal for how to organize "Climbing by country" and "Climbing by type" is fine, however it does not address the issue of what to do with "climbing" images which are not related to the sport of climbing (tree climbing, rope climbing, ladder climbing etc.) that is why I was proposing to keep them on Category:Climbing and move all images related to sport of climbing to Category:Rock climbing however I see that this might be an issue since term "Rock climbing" is mostly used in English and does not translate well. Also it would not cover ice climbing, urban climbing or indoor climbing. May be we should call it Category:Climbing (sport) or just hide all the other types of climbing in "Climbing by type" as we are doing right now. It might be that in most other languages word for sport of climbing does not have any other meanings. In Polish for example. Then there is an issue of what to do with Category:Rock climbing category. Originally I used it for listing rock climbing sub-types (sport, trad, bouldering, ...).
Sorry, I didn't write about other categories because they remain in the same place. I have just added them in the example. --Rotpunkt (talk) 09:01, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As for organizing "Climbing by country" and "Climbing by type" - I have mostly 2 comments:
  1. sub-categories should be added only on the "need to have" basis. So If you have few hundreds of images from some country or a place than it make sense to subdivide somehow so we end up with "by type by place" categories like Category:Bouldering in Joshua Tree National Park‎ . Otherwise I would not subcategorize them.
  2. Also for me the main purpose of "Climbing by country" category is to hold "Climbing in the area XYZ" subcategories like Category:Climbing in Red Rock Canyon. I think those are much more useful than "Sport climbing in France". After all to find all "Sport climbing in France" images all one have to do is to use CatScan2 tool to intersect Category:Climbing_in_France and Category:Sport climbing categories.
--Jarekt (talk) 04:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have added climbing areas in the example so it's more clear. Obviuosly if a country doesn't have bouldering areas we don't create "Bouldering in Thatcountry". --Rotpunkt (talk) 09:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

+ Military climbing

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I propose Category:Military climbing. Ok ? Better name ?

We may also add a Category:Military mountaineering for snow/ice/ski techniques by military forces.

I created category:Indoor bouldering (subcat of bouldering / indoor climbing).

What about a Category:Climbing in unidentified locations ? ;-) (see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Unidentified_locations )

--Irønie (talk) 12:57, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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