User talk:Richard001/Archive 1

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Hello, and thank your for sharing your files with Commons. There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. Could you please resolve these problems, which are described on the page linked in above? Thank you. --Siebrand

Category

I've change the category. You're right, those was my earlier pictures and since in Bahasa Indonesia we have no plural form, so I didn't know. By the way, nice camera, mine is the same...hmm.. it's depricated? I wonder if mine would do the same too :D Serenity 04:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Undeletion

Yes, I'm an admin here, so I can undelete images. —Angr 20:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. Did you seriously just notice this now? —Angr 18:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Help:Scanning

First draft. Adam Cuerden 14:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I just tried to put together everything I've learned from all the scanning I've done =) Adam Cuerden 13:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Scanning

Right. By my calculations, knowing the dpi, this image is about 2 by 3". That's pretty small, so I'd go with 400dpi, maybe even 500 or 600 - there's no harm going a bit higher than necessary. PNG is usually better, as it's a lossless medium, so I tend to prefer that if the image is not so large as to require JPG. Now, at that scale, paper texture is probably going to be distracting, so I'd then adjust the levels until the paper disappears into a smooth, pure white, and make sure the ink is a nice dark black (if you don't do this, thumbnails look a lot less sharp with the greyscale ones). Your scanner may be able to do levels adjustment as it scans - this is helpful, as it makes it a lot quicker. I don't kow what scanning software you use, but in mine, tweaking levels is done through a graph. The standard linear is a line connecting the lower left and upper right - what I do is move the point in the upper right left a bit, which means that more things are counted as pure, #FFFFFF white, and the one in the lower left right a bit, meaning more things count as pure #000000 black. A similar effect can be gotten by raising the contrast. Zooming in on the image will help you know how much to adjust the contrast until the page texture disappears.

The image you have at the moment has a grey overcast, and the basic idea of this is to remove that, leaving a nice, anti-aliased (hence why you need to use greyscale) but otherwise black and white image.

Good luck, and keep me updated =) Adam Cuerden 18:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

There's not really much point to JPG if there's PNG, particularly as they're going to need tweaked after. If you scan everything at 600dpi and e-mail them to me I'll fix everything up for you. As for the ones with text - Tricky! Scan the whole page for each of those, and I'll see what I can do - it may look better in some of those cases to leave the text in. =) Adam Cuerden 23:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Just crop them (except for the awkward ones, leave those as full pages), save them as PNG, and e-mail them. Gmail can handle quite large files =) Adam Cuerden 05:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!

I came down fairly ill, and then never got back to them. I did try to warn you that you might have to prod me, but I'm not sure if you got the e-mail. More when the hour's a touch more reasonable =) Adam Cuerden 05:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

General thoughts

Image:Bates and toucans.jpg would be worth scanning at higher resolution. - there's definite FA potential in that one. Might be worth doing it in both untweaked colour as well as black and white - there's merits to both when the image is large and detailed, such as that.

As for the rest - excellent work. Only thing that I might do in addition is - An example might help here. In the upper right of Image:Expression_of_the_Emotions_Figure_8.png, there's a number of grey specks. They're clearly not part of the engraving, as the engraving is nice and dark, so I'd probably go in with an image editing program (even MSPaint is fine for this) and remove them in favour of white. Helpful hint: Doing that only outside the bounds of the picture area helps keep you sane. Because once you get to restoring inside the picture area... well... an example. Image:The_Princess_-_W._S._Gilbert.png You'll note that by the end there were a dozen or so uploads, by the end dealing with problems you could only see at full res.

This is not to say that engraving restoration isn't also a good idea, but it's very slow, time-consuming work, and, in the end, most people won't notice. Adam Cuerden 09:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

(I'll just reply here) Those two with the toucans are just older ones. I uploaded one myself, not realizing another one was available (the benefits of using categories!). I have a higher resolution one, but I'd have to get the book again to do one in colour. Regarding the imperfections, I noticed some of these today (see figure 7, where I uploaded a fixed version). I'll try to keep an eye out for them. The problem is that when I adjust the curves to remove the near white, it leaves the darker patches/pixels behind, which are the ones I want to get rid of! I guess I'll just have to look for them manually, unless there's an easier way. What about the captions - should I leave those in or crop them out? Richard001 09:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd leave captions, as they provide useful context. Also, there's no good way to remove the darker spots except by hand: If you adjust the levels until they disappear, the main engraving starts to look bad. It's just a fact of life. Don't worry too much about colour versions - this way produces engraving copies that can be reproduced, which you can do pretty much anything with, etc, etc. The colour versions... produces pictures of engravings that look authentically old. There's some merit in that, but, well, in the end, you can do a lot more with this type =) Adam Cuerden 11:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I'll raise the captions issue at the VP. I'm leaning more towards not including them myself, as they're already being included in the image descriptions, and they make them a little less reusable (if I'm using a picture of a fish to to illustrate it on Wikipedia, why would people want to know that it's 'Figure 12'?). I'll go with just grayscale images for my scanning, as I think doing a second set in colour isn't as useful than scanning images from a different book that isn't currently available; quantity over quality if you like.

Oh yes, and the gamma shaped images... I've uploaded one so far: Image:Naturalist on the River Amazons figure 3.png. I've basically chosen to white the text out just leaving the image. Do you think it's better like this? It just seems inconsistent to have text in some images and not in others, and the text isn't any use as a single page (starting and ending abruptly). Also, with the rotated images (e.g. Image:Naturalist on the River Amazons figure 4.png) I've made them horizontal again and noted this in the description. And do you think I the two smaller versions of the toucans image should be deleted when the high resolution one is uploaded? Richard001 01:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking like bad news with the Bates images - I'm having trouble downloading the attachment from Gmail and I don't have any other copies of them. All of them are in zip files (I should never have used them!), and they're either corrupted or my downloads are cutting out because of a slowish connection. Could you try one out and see if you can open it? Richard001 08:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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