User talk:Joeyconnick

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Joeyconnick!

First steps tutorial Our first steps tour and our frequently asked questions will help you a lot after registration. They explain how to customize the interface (for example the language), how to upload files and our basic licensing policy (Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content). You don't need technical skills in order to contribute here. Be bold when contributing and assume good faith when interacting with others. This is a wiki. Getting help More information is available at the community portal. You may ask questions at the help desk, village pump or on IRC channel #wikimedia-commons (webchat). You can also contact an administrator on their talk page. If you have a specific copyright question, ask at the copyright village pump.

Goodies, tips, and tricks Put Babel boxes on your user page so others know what languages you can speak and indicate your graphic abilities. You can find the files you have uploaded in your Uploads. Please sign your name on Talk pages by typing ~~~~. To link to an image page without embedding the image, type: [[:File:Foo.jpg]], which produces: File:Foo.jpg. You may enable gadgets (custom features) for your account. There are several tools to upload files. Have you edited Wikipedia before? This guide might be useful. Made a mistake? Do you want to have a file renamed or moved? Use the move link and wait for an authorized user to rename it. Do you want to have your recently uploaded picture removed? Tag it as {{speedy|reason here}}. For more information read the deletion guidelines.

-- Wikimedia Commons Welcome (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Question...

I can see, from your move in 2017, that you have been around for a long time.

So, I am very surprised that you seem to have made what I have always regarded as a newbie mistake. You seem to have manually emptied Category: Kipling (TTC), putting its contents into Category: Kipling station. Near as I can tell, you didn't seem to have taken any steps to call for the opinions of other people as to whether this was a good idea.

You edit summary says "Joeyconnick moved page Category:Kipling (TTC) to Category:Kipling station: match main article title". However, since you were the one who moved the wikipedia article from Kipling (TTC) to Kipling station I think it was even more important that you called for the opinion of other people.

When you moved the Wikipedia article, in 2017, your edit summary was "Joeyconnick moved page Kipling (TTC) to Kipling station: new Canadian station naming conventions". But you didn't link to a discussion where people could confirm there was a real discussion changing the naming convention for TTC stations. Why is that?

Finally, you replaced {{Category redirect}} with {{Bad name}}, a speedy deletion request.

I am very surprised that you could have been participating here, for years, without anyone explaining how highly disruptive it is to delete an old category name, that has been superceded. It is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for the integrity of the project that the old {{Category redirect}} be retained. Even if it no longer has incoming links visible here, third parties may have linked to it, from external sites, or may have bookmarked it. It is shockingly bad practice to delete such links, because it makes the commons look fragile, unreliable, and poorly administered.

I urge you, in the strongest possible terms, never call for the speedy deletion of {{Category redirect}}s, because of the danger of breaking links.

I think you will find that other people will also tell you the two commonly accepted approaches, when you think an old category has a bad name, are to call for discussion of the category (there is a link for that on the left hand menu of every category page), or to use the {{Move}} template. These have the advantage, if your move suggestion is approved, that a robot does the tedious scut work of actually recategorizing the images.

If you recently called for the deletion of any other categories you unilaterally emptied, I urge you to change those back to {{Category redirect}}s.

If you recently unilaterally emptied any other categories I request you name them, so a proper discussion can take place as to whether or not your emptying was a good idea. Geo Swan (talk) 01:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what the fuss is about or why your tone is so accusatory... category names should match their article titles, yes? Pretty sure that doesn't require discussion.

If I've moved articles at en.wikipedia.org, it's to follow the project's naming conventions and nothing more nefarious than that (as you seem to be implying the fact in this case I was the one who moved the article and then renamed the category is part of some kind of coordinated attempt to hoodwink people or game the system). In particular, the many editors of the TTC pages realized long ago that per en:WP:NATURALDIS, having " (TTC)" as a disambiguator was inappropriate (also covered at en:MOS:CANSTATION) except in very particular circumstances—en:Union station (TTC) being the exception that proves the rule.

As for my use of {{Bad name}}, I wasn't aware that was an issue and since pretty much all my uses of it have been honoured by admins (e.g. like here) with descriptors that seem to indicate the use was unproblematic ((incorrectly named) duplicate, content moved to Category:[new name]), it didn't occur to me it might cause issues. I can certainly leave {{Category redirect}} in place if that helps quell your concerns. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)