User talk:Ckfasdf

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Please do not remove deletion requests

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File:Panglima TNI Gatot Nurmantyo (Foto Puspen).jpg--Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

There's theorically on the deletion page a template named "Challenge speedy deletion" you must click in such a case. You are free too to explain on the deletion request why this file must be kept. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

couldn't find "challenge speedy deletion" before. Anyway I have put comment on deletion request. Thanks. Ckfasdf (talk) 13:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I apologize, but please do not take sides!

I am sorry for what I have done, it is true that I got the picture from Trend Asia.org. But I got it from Instagram, not twitter heheheheh. I apologize to you but please do not take sides specifically for the Indonesian govt then and take to Wikipedia’s policy of a Neutral Point of View. The new criminal code have been criticized by as far as the United Nations and European Union so it is still controversial. Eustatius Strijder (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Eustatius Strijder: Nobody disputing that new criminal code is controversial. However, please remember that you're in Commons now, please follow its policy. Some of Commons policy is different than English Wikipedia. Ckfasdf (talk) 14:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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From what I understand there aren't regional flags in Indonesia. So can you provide a source that can actually be accessed instead the title of document that isn't even available online? I know there's a regulation about "regional symbols" but flags aren't "symbols" and from what I can find there's no legitimate source for the flag of North Kalimantan anyway. Adamant1 (talk) 09:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: You clearly do not understand and have not even bothered to look up the relevant regulations. Government Regulation No. 77 of 2007 explicitly states that regional symbols include coats of arms/emblems and flags. As a follow-up to this government regulation, each region can issue its own regulation regarding their regional symbols. In the case of North Kalimantan, this is outlined in Peraturan Daerah Provinsi Kalimantan Utara Nomor 3 Tahun 2021 (Regional Regulation of North Kalimantan Province No. 3 Year 2021). The flag of North Kalimantan is specifically mentioned in Annex II of that regulation. This makes both the coat of arms and the flag part of the public domain, as they are mentioned in a regulation, and Article 42 of Indonesian Copyright Law states that anything derived from regulations is non-copyrightable. Other regions have similar regulations that govern their coats of arms and flags as well, disproving your claim that regional flags in Indonesia are fictional. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I asked for an official source. Not a PDF file on some random Google drive that anyone could have created. That PDF looks super fake. Anyone add a "flag" to document and then upload it their Google drive. Why isn't an official source for it and why I can't find any images of the "flag" on Google except for on user generated sites? Do they not have official websites with the symbol? --Adamant1 (talk) 10:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Since it is a regulation, there are actually plenty of links available on the internet that can lead to it. For example, the State Auditor of Indonesia also compiles regulations, and regional regulation of North Kalimantan can be found here: https://peraturan.bpk.go.id/Details/187297/perda-prov-kalimantan-utara-no-3-tahun-2021 .Ckfasdf (talk) 10:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Yet if I follow your link there's no image of the "flag", symbol it's supposedly based on, or anything related to it. I asked for a source of the flag, not a page of text about for some regulation. I'm sure you get the difference. Just because state flags exist in the United States doesn't mean I can upload an image of a duck walking on some grass and say it's the flag of California. That's not how this works. And things need to be sourced to actual places URLs that contain the image. Not something just talking about how it's legal for local governments in Indonesia to symbols or whatever. BTW, I really don't appreciate how you edited my original comment in the DR. Especially since most of your notes are nonsense and don't prove anything. Please don't do that again. It just makes DRs impossible to read or follow when users edit each other's comments like that. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Yet if I follow your link there's no image of the "flag", symbol it's supposedly based on, or anything related to it
There’s a 'Preview' and 'Download' button on that link. You can simply click those buttons and see the regulation for yourself. Another link where the regulation can be found is on the North Kalimantan government website, which links to the Google Drive document mentioned earlier.

I asked for a source of the flag, not a page of text about for some regulation.
When something, such as a flag or any other item, is described as "official" because it originates from official documents, it means that the source has been formally recognized or issued by a legitimate authority. The document has undergone a legal or regulated process to establish its authenticity and authority. If you have another definition of what makes something "official," please let me know. As for your additional question, what makes you think official flags are usually registered by the Indonesian Vexillology and Heraldry Association (IVHA)?

Just because state flags exist in the United States doesn't mean I can upload an image of a duck walking on some grass and say it's the flag of California
Actually, you could do that IF the government of California decided to change the flag to an image of a duck walking on some grass. The current California flag is official because California Government Code § 420: "The Bear Flag is the State Flag of California."

And things need to be sourced to actual places URLs that contain the image.
According to Template:Information, the only requirement is for it to be referenced; a URL is not necessarily needed. All flags are based on coat of arms, which are in the public domain, hence there is no copyright violation.

Not something just talking about how it's legal for local governments in Indonesia to symbols or whatever.
We are discussing Indonesian regional symbols here, so it's natural that Indonesian copyright law applies in this context, as all Indonesian regional symbols are regulated by specific laws. According to Indonesian law, anything derived from regulations, laws, or acts is explicitly non-copyrightable. Ckfasdf (talk) 13:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

You can simply click those buttons and see the regulation for yourself. I saw the regulation. It still doesn't have an image of the flag, which is asked you for. What so hard for you to understand about that?

According to Template:Information, the only requirement is for it to be referenced; a URL is not necessarily needed. Sure but there has to be a way to confirm if it's a legitimate source or not though otherwise people just put nonsense as the source. Nothing comes up on Google when I look for "Lampiran II Peraturan Daerah Provinsi Kalimantan Utara Nomor 3 Tahun 2021 (Annex II of Regional Regulation of North Kalimantan Province No 3 Year 2021)." So for all anyone on here know it's random words. There's zero reason to give you the benefit of the doubt because you linked to a bunch unsourced user generated shields and dead links in the DR.

According to Indonesian law, anything derived from regulations, laws, or acts is explicitly non-copyrightable. At least from what I understand about those kinds of copyright terms there has to be an actual image of the flag or symbol in the regulation for it to not be copyrightable. Their can't just be a document saying a local government can make a shield. There has to be a regulation with with the actual shield in it. --Adamant1 (talk) 14:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: I saw the regulation. It still doesn't have an image of the flag, which is asked you for. What so hard for you to understand about that?
Please refer to page 17, where it should state "LAMPIRAN II PERATURAN DAERAH PROVINSI KALIMANTAN UTARA NOMOR 3 TAHUN 2021 TENTANG LAMBANG DAERAH" and "BENDERA DAERAH," which translates to 'Annex II Regional Regulation of North Kalimantan Province No. 3 of 2021 on Regional Symbol' and 'Regional Flag'. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Nothing comes up on Google when I look for "Lampiran II Peraturan Daerah Provinsi Kalimantan Utara Nomor 3 Tahun 2021 (Annex II of Regional Regulation of North Kalimantan Province No 3 Year 2021).
There are plenty of links when I look up that term on Google. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Annnddddddd the image of the flag is where?? That's all I'm asking for. I don't care if some random document has the word "flag" in it. That's not how sourcing an image works. This isn't Wikipedia. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf: Look it at this way. Your claiming the flag exists. The people who created the flags that were uploaded to Commons obviously got the designs from somewhere and they clearly didn't come from the document your linking to. They didn't go to the provinces and get the flags directly from the local governments. So where did they get the flags from? Either they made the flags up or there's a copy of them online somewhere. There isn't really any other option though. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Annnddddddd the image of the flag is where?? That's all I'm asking for.
You really need to be spoon-fed, don't you? Please see this image taken from page 17 of the Regional Regulation of North Kalimantan Province No. 3 of 2021. The flag is also displayed at the North Kalimantan Governor's office, as seen here. Most people look for flag images at governor, mayor, or regent offices, as they are often displayed there. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I need you to provide legitimate sources for the flags since your the one claiming their real. It's not my job to come up the evidence your claiming exists. That's on you for providing "evidence" that was just more user generated content on Commons and dead links. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

The source has been given to you, but you refuse to even see it, let alone acknowledge it, and you've absurdly gone as far as labeling the official source from the official website as 'super fake.' Clearly, there's no point in wasting any more words on this talk page. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I looked at it. I told you the government website is either a dead link or won't load on my end and the ibb.co.com website clearly isn't a "official source from the official website." Regardless, what don't you get about me telling you multiple times that the link to iskominfo.kaltaraprov.go.id is dead? And your saying I'm the one not acknowledging things here. Right. Whatever you say. Repeat after me "the source I gave you to the official website is a dead link." It's not that difficult. Your just playing dumb. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

This is one of countless times that user Adamant1: (1) meddles in topics about which he has no idea, (2) does multiple damage (3), conducts endless discussions with the aim of proving that he alone is right and the whole world is wrong, ending in trolling, accusations and insults. He should be permanently blocked from the project. --Orijentolog (talk) 17:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: I completely agree with your assessment. Based on his edit history and the frequent reports against him on ANU, this behavior has clearly become a pattern. He is harming the project as a whole, and a permanent block seems like a reasonable solution to prevent further damage. Ckfasdf (talk) 21:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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