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Martin H. (talk) 14:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Please stop the abuse of PD-Iran. A work is PD-Iran if it was first published in Iran and not published the same time in any other country. It is your burden to provide the original source that this requirement is fulfilled. Citing

  • a random book publisher (who is not even located in Iran but abroad, so citing that company already annulates the first publication requirement because with a publisher abroad you give a different publication country...) or citing
  • a random website (that not was the first place of publication in Iran nor gives any more information about the first publication)

does not take away this burden. --Martin H. (talk) 14:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

This is not an abuse of PD-Iran. The pictures are taken from the farsi edition of a book published in Iran! The publisher is located in Iran, France and the United States. But the farsi edition has been published in Tehran! The titel of the book is "Shah of Iran" in farsi. The farsi edition has never been published outside of Iran. The publishing was done on behalf of the Iranian government. There might be a French and an English version of the very same book, which I'm not aware of. That's why the publisher is not located in France and USA. The publisher has incorporated photos provided by the Iranian government, which means that these photos are definitley PD under Iranian low. --Wvk (talk) 15:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Damit wäre die Quelle ein wenig vollständiger. Es handelt sich also um Fotos die einem iranischen Buch entnommen sind welches von dem als Quelle genannten Verlag verlegt wurde. Sind zu den Fotos Quellenangaben angegeben die Belegen wer der Autor ist und ob die Aufnahmen zuerst im Iran und nicht gleichzeitig ausserhalb veröffentlicht wurden? --Martin H. (talk) 15:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Hallo Martin, ich komme leider erst wieder am Wochenende an das Buch. Dann kann ich die fehlenden Angaben vervollständigen. Die von mir ausgesuchten Fotos sind aber saemtlich zuerst im Iran veroeffentlicht worden. Wie gesagt, am Wochenende trage ich die genauen bibliographischen Angaben nach und werde den Titel am besten auch auf Farsi uebernehmen. Gruesse --Wvk (talk) 15:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Sollte mit dem Buch http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/42356901&referer=brief_results gemeint sein stammen die Bilder aus einem US-Buch von 1999. Für die in Template:PD-Iran erdorderlichen 30 Jahre nach Veröffentlichung reicht diese Quellenangabe nicht. --Martin H. (talk) 18:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Die Bilder stammen aus diesem Buch. Insofern gebe ich Dir recht, dass die Quellenangaben genau genommen anders lauten müssten, wenn man die PD-Iran-Regel benutzen will. Da es sich in den hier diskutierten Fällen ausnahmslos um alte, bereits früher veröffentlichte Fotos handelt, die die Autoren in ihrem Buch verwendet haben, und es nahezu unmöglich ist, an die persischen Originalveröffentlichungen zu kommen, bin ich davon ausgegangen, dass es sich ausreichend ist, dass die Fotos in einem Zeitraum entstanden sind, der vor 30 Jahren liegt. Wie verfahren wir? --Wvk (talk) 08:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Gibt es denn gar keine Quellenangaben? File:Brtitishtroopsiran.jpg hast du ja bereits umlizenziert, wenn durch die Quelle gedeckt ist, dass es sich um ein im Auftrag der (oder durch die) brit. Armee erstelltes Bild handelt ist das korrekt. --Martin H. (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Ich habe jetzt alle Bilder, die nach dem Bilderverzeichnis der Quelle (S. 160) unter iranisches Recht fallen, mit IR/RR gekennzeichnet. Das Bild von General Razmara ist lt. Bilderverzeichnis von Imapress und das Bild von der Raffinerie Abadan von L'Illustration/Sygma. Diese Bilder muessten daher geloescht werden. Gruss --Wvk (talk) 21:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

(habe deinen Beitrag mal linksbündig verschoben) Ich weiß nicht was IR/PR heißt, sollte aber so zumindest nachvollziehbar genug sein. Ich entferne die tags mal entsprechend deinen Angaben und lösche die beiden Bilder. --Martin H. (talk) 12:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


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Martin H. (talk) 18:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

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