general discussion of the problem, which kind of picture is ok as valued image for a Bird, where an old image with two species is the only picture of the species we have.
This is the kind of picture I personally prefer, as it looks nice and only the bird species mentioned in the scope is visible.
File:Birdsofcelebesne02meye 0631b.jpg - ugly as composition of original picture is broken, ok for the species on pages like Rallidae, as relevant parts of only one bird species are visible.
File:Amaurornis isabellina 1898.jpg - ugly as composition of original picture is broken, not ok for pages like Rallidae, as relevant parts of two bird species are visible and therefore I am not shure which bird is meant without a description. -- Kersti (talk)
Best in Scope All criteria met, the quality is ok for VI. --VT98Fan (talk) 09:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
general discussion of the problem, which kind of picture is ok as valued image for a bird, where an old image with two species is the only source picture of the species we have.
For me this picture would be ok as no relevant parts of other birds are visible, but I don't like it and think it is ugly.
Other pictures which would be ok, but don't look very nice
the part of the head visible on this picture doesn't look really like a head and therefore it is clear that the bird in the center is meant.
the bird foot in the right upper angel of the picture is not that prominent, therefore it is clear, that it isn't meant.
this picture looks much better than my above example, and therefore would be ok for me. I list it here, as it is another example for singling out a bird in the same way given above, but which looks better than the above example and it may be, that we prefer this way about all.
general discussion of the problem, which kind of picture is ok as valued image for a bird, where an old image with two species is the only source picture of the species we have.
OK for Wikipedia, where one could be almost shure, that the readers understand the description, written below the picture. Not OK for a page like Rallidae, or the section "Amaurornis isabellina (cat.)" on the Amaurornis page, but OK fro the "More than one species" section. Many people, who look there, may not understand any of the languages in which a description is given, therefore they should not be confused with different species in the section for one defined species. -- Kersti (talk)
general discussion of the problem, which kind of picture is ok as valued image for a bird, where an old image with two species is the only source picture of the species we have.
This picture is absolutely not OK as valued image for me, as I am not shure, which bird is meant and if both birds may be male and female of the species. To be shure, I need a description. Therefore the original would be better, as it simply looks better than this one. One could use it in an Wikipedia artikle where one could be shure, that the description is understandable for most readers, but in pages like Rallidae or Amaurornis, which may be used by users which don't speak any of the given languages there's no use for such a picture to illustrate Amaurornis isabellina.
Other examples for really bad ideas as valued images
here the head of a bird of another species is visible and I am - whithout reading the description - not shure if the head may be for example the head of the male or something like this.
most parts of another bird are visible and I am without description not shure if it may be the same species.
general discussion of the problem, which kind of picture is ok as valued image for a Bird, where an old image with two species is the only picture of the species we have. -- Kersti (talk)
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