This is my English Wikipedia user page of which I am planning on importing several paragraphs to my main Wikimedia Commons user page, however as copying non-selectable text as I am currently blocked on the English Wikipedia with my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL requires me to click for 15 minutes before I can only select a sentence a piece I have pasted this here to start importing some more Commons-compatible texts to my main Wikimedia Commonsuserpage. I will start importing stuff when I have the time, as I am a busy person don't expect it to go overnight. The redlinks are deliberate as I'll correctly format those when I’ll migrate them to my Wikimedia Commons user page. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) ("The Chinese Coin Troll" 👿) (Articles 📚) 09:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
I am Donald Trung (chữ Hán: 徵國單, Korean: Ch'i Kuk-Sŏn, Japanese: Chō Kokutan) and I created this account solely to create the article Ryukyuan mon but as you can see below I have added a few others to that list 😅. I contribute using a Microsoft Lumia 950 XL device 🤙🏻📱, and usually draft any new article I’m writing or major expansion to existing articles in Microsoft Outlook 📧. In general I tend to venture numismatic articles from the Far-East, while only reading other articles, but I make minor edits elsewhere as well though I’m not always signed in while doing so.
By the way, my name is pronounced like “Chüüng”, not “Trŏng”, I have to explain that every time I meet a person who has read my name before hearing it, and to my great annoyance my children go around introducing themselves as “Trŏng” even though I warned them that they’re throwing away their Chinese heritage when they do that, but like many overseas Orientals born abroad they refuse to learn the correct pronunciation of their names. 😒 Usually they retort me by saying “we live in Australia, not Vietnam”, or “that’s easier for English-speaking people to pronounce”.
If anyone has any questions regarding the article PING me on my talk page, feel free to improve my edits there, Wikipedia is a free space after all. I'll try to upload a few images of the coins after I purchase a few of them. 🚀 (Update: July 21st, 2017 apparently they're really hard to find outside of Okinawa... 😖)
I've been editing Wikipedia for years only no one could tell because my IP address changes every few days 😅, this raised a lot of issued for me as I would never be able to consistently discuss something on a talk page, or when policies were up for discussion, so I've finally decided to create this account to be more consistent. 😁
=== My collection ===
I mostly own commemorative € 2,- coins & Far Eastern 文 coins. 💴💵💶💷 My banknote, coinnote, and voucher collection(s) on the other hand is extremely diverse. 🤑
=== Explaining my name to people like Champion and others that with to delete my user page(, again) 😒 ===
The name of my account is not some sort of "attack page" on anyone, it's based on an inside joke I have with my friends, my name is Trung Quoc Don (徵國單), and my Australian friends call me "Donny Trung", so I made the joke that I am "Donald Trump'sVietnamese cousin", this is not an attack in any way, and we've had that inside joke since the 1990's. (so long before he even ran to be America's president).
=== Why I made this account (my most primary reason) ===
A Ryūkyū Tsūhō (Kyūjitai: 琉球通寳 ; Shinjitai: 琉球通宝) of 100 mon, a coin designed to look like the Tenpō Tsūhō.
A half Shu coin. 💰
I was a rotating IP address user, but mostly started this account to write the beginning of the Ryukyuan mon article, about the currency of the Ryukyuan Kingdom. 💴
=== Religion (or lack thereof) ===
I'm actually an Atheist but because my Australian wife is Christian and her family can't comprehend that someone can't believe in (a) God I always joke about being "a Christian Atheist". 😉
== Hobbies 🏓 ==
I love fishing 🎣, collecting coins 💰, and spending time with my children. 👦🏻👧🏻👶🏻.
I am very well interested in East-Asian & Vietnamese currencies, and I've greatly enjoying reading the well-detailed and well-sourced works on Ancient Chinese coinage here on Wikipedia, but for some reason this wonderful detail stops at the Song Dynasty, skips the Yuan Dynasty, and goes straight to the Ming Dynasty, and the skips the Qing Dynasty. Personally I couldn't let this stand so I had to fill the Song-Ming gap in monetary history. Up until I created that page Wikipedia had detailed information about coinage from every period in Chinese history... "unless you're the Mongols" (Crash Course history fans will get it.) 💴📝
My favourite coins are actually Ruan dynasty-era 10 文 coins made by Emperor 保大, well, actually second favourite after the 2 Sapèque (二文).
And I'd like to thank Sema (Pyvanet) for his awesome website, Art-Hanoi, I discovered the website through Wikipedia, and I've visited it almost daily ever since, whenever I browse eBay I go there, note that this is not a promotion of their work, more of an acknowledgment of the usefulness of the information they provided. 🌐
A Xuān Tǒng Tōng Bǎo (宣統通寶) coin that I had bought in Hanoi, Vietnam. 😍🀄💴 It cost me merely Ð 30.000,- 🤑
💴 Now this article was on the bottom of my to-do list, "why?" One might ask, well it's simply too much work, 😅 but I made the Qing's coinage article nonetheless, it was hard work 🏢 and I'll be improving it, but if any readers learn more about numismatics, and Chinese history from it it'll be worth it. 😉
What the Asian 文 articles have meant for me prior to me improving them, and why I expanded them.
Wikipedia, external links, self-interest, coin collecting, and me as a WP:READER..
Let's start by me explaining how Wikipedia has greatly benefited my ability to collect Asian coins, the wén, văn, mun, and mon articles have long formed the basis of the information 🛈 I would garner to collect coins from the Orient. I really loved the images from Wikimedia Commons, and though I fell in love 💘 with those articles as a child, I rarely added them, made a minor correction to the Vietnamese Cash article’s bottom template, and a year later added the name in French (Sapèque), further I later began to become a real serious editor with lots of high class articles under my belt, yet still felt that I wasn't either “experienced enough”, or “knowledgeable on the subject” to edit. Well let me explain a bit more of the tremendous effect those articles have had on me for more than half of my life, through the Vietnamese cash 💰 article I had discovered the website Art-Hanoi, now to me this website would become my “go-to” website on anything Vietnamese, I’d browse it for years, I would check it out religiously before going on eBay, or out to coinshops in Hanoi, this website served as the basis for my collection of Vietnamese, an French Indo-Chinese banknotes, as well as Vietnamese văn coins.
Now let's look at what I would describe as “helpful selfishness”, particularly the pages created here on Wikipedia. The “Ancient Chinese coinage” was directly created by Sir David Hartill, and the owner of the aforementioned Art-Hanoi site, Sema was the one who created the “Vietnamese cash” article here on Wikipedia. Now on the behaviour of the former it can actually solely be seen as him “donating his copyrighted work 🏢 for the sake 🍶 of public knowledge”, and indeed I have often used the Ancient Chinese coinage article as my main reference for Chinese coins older than a millennium. The actions of the latter (Sema, or “Pyvanet”) are a bit more self-promotional... Well as much as I really like Sema’s work and website, I would have to point out how much this person linked to his website, constantly adding links 🔗 to his Art-Hanoi website on every Vietnamese or French Indo-Chinese article that’s even vaguely numismatic or notaphilic, and every image he uploaded (that didn't get deleted) had a link 🔗 to his website. Now I really like Art-Hanoi so I would NEVER remove those links, or complain about them, but the way he acted is not jut against Wikipedia’s policies, it's strictly self-promotional, but judging by how detailed that website is in illustration I would say that it wholly falls within the external linking guidelines, and the fact that he used Ed Toda’s book 📚 while being hosted on his website as the main source for the Vietnamese văn article shows even more self-interest, but it benefitted Wikipedia, Sema/Pyvanet, and us readers so there’s very little to complain about here. 😅
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I hope that you will enjoy my insight into these subjects. 😉
Note 📝: Every time you read “Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱.” It meant that I saved this draft 💾, after just ALMOST finishing Microsoft Outlook decided to just randomly deletes EVERYTHING in a draft, reboots my Windows Phone, and there is absolutely nothing I can do to salvage it. Now imagine writing the articles I did of those sizes and think of either how much I had to save or how many things got deleted, since I began to write my respect for both Microsoft, and Satya Nadella got replaced with bitterness, so is my respect for the Wikipedia Community, try explaining what your mobile phone does and they respond with apathy and revert your edits because “intermediate edits don’t exist”, now worst of all you can put hours of hard work, and research into something and all of your hard work will disappear like snow ⛄ in the sunlight. The only reason I’m writing this here is because I’m angry 😡 just as I was done with the final draft it randomly deleted ALL OF MY WORK 🏢 before my last save 💾, my phone basically runs alpha software on a consumer build. 😡😡😡 Hours of my life wasted because I am dumb enough to buy this thing. 😒😡
2nd note 📝: The only reason I'm leaving those e-mail 📧 signatures in is to remind myself (and others) how hard it is editing from my device, that way I'll find a new appreciation of my work 🏢 in the future, and hopefully 🤞🏻 from others too.
3rd note 📝: Before (greatly) expanding those articles many of them had fallen into great disuse, with only a random edit or two (2) every year by users, and maintenance by bots every now and then, only affected by decisions made beyond the boundaries of those articles. Incorrections in their have stood unchallenged for years, and content was only sparsely added if ever with only the “Japanese mon (currency)” article gaining a large chunk of information 🛈 from an I.P.-user.
Explaining my reasoning, and the processes behind individual expansions.
Now the story of how I got here is quite simple, despite having written a multitude of Wikipedia articles, and expanded a large number even beyond that I never really ventured into the field of numismatic articles until I found this page written by Dr. Luke Roberts of the University of California at Santa Barbara inspiring me to write the article Ryukyuan mon, after that I thought “why not add ALL of my browser favourites to Wikipedia articles?” (partially because in the event of me ever losing Microsoft Edge due to some bug 🐛 that I wouldn't need to re-add those favourites 😈, and partially because the article looked like a very short joke with practically no information 🛈), it all started with Primal Trek, a website operated by Gary Ashkenazy (Hebrew: גארי אשכנזי) which is mostly about Chinese coins and charms but also has this page about the monetary history of pre-colonial Korea, and I have frequented that page for years, whenever you go to any coin collector forum they always say “let's look what out favourite source, Primal Trek has to say about that coin”, and so it became my “mission” to migrate ALL CONTENT from Primal Trek to Wikipedia 😅😅😅😅😅😅, of course the hardest part would be adding that table as a Wikitable with 52 different Korean government mint marks, so I started ploughing real hard and converted it (only later did I add more information 🛈), the coins minted by Goryeo seemed like too much work to simply re-write so I integrated them into a Wikitable, and then continued working on the rest.
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A quick note 📝: When I say migrate “ALL” content from Primal Trek I exclude 2 (two) things, images, and their descriptions, those would be better fit for Wikimedia Commons, however they’re not free so I can't upload them 😞.
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Now I had written above that the owner of Art-Hanoi made this article and basically made it “a hub for links to his website”, now I don't mind that personally but as I was almost done with migrating ALL content from Primal Trek into the various “X dynasty coinage” articles, and I said before that I was on a mission of migrating ALL of my numismatic Microsoft Edge favourites (which are numerous) into Wikipedia my next mission was to naturally integrate Ed Toda’s entire book 📚 Annam and its minor currency (which also incidentally serves as the basis for Sema’s online Vietnamese (ancient) coin identifier also hosted on Art-Hanoi), and after being energised to make looooooooooooong Wikitables after completing the article “Southern Song dynasty coinage” I began my mission to transform this article into “the one-stop shop for finding Vietnamese coins” for Anglophones.
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Now finishing this list I suddenly saw that unless I would also expand the “History” section that this article would essentially transform into “a list-type article”, and having information on the inscriptions of coins, but not the coins themselves would basically constitute a catalogue, now I must confess that I do kind of use the numismatic articles of Wikipedia as “my personal gratis coins & banknotes catalogue”, and to some extend that’s why I made these edits, but that doesn't mean that I should stop there, now a major difference between adding Primal Trek, and adding Ed Toda is that once you migrate all the written content from Toda’s work that Toda’s book becomes “essentially useless”, so now using Art-Hanoi for any coins issued prior to the Nguyễn Dynasty is no longer necessary (you’re welcome, Sema 😈), this is in part because the images provided by Toda are wholly incorrect, they all follow the same calligraphic style, and Toda himself admits that those images are no real reference to rely upon, they’re just their for... Ehhh... “illustration” I guess (one might even call them “filler”), Dr. Allen Barker’s work on the other hand does contain some good photography, and I wouldn't claim that the article has superseded Dr. Allen Barker, but as of writing this I could safely say that I only need Art-Hanoi now for “more modern coins”. 😅 I still love 💘 that website though, and all the links (+ “manymore”) are still there.
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But let's explore the venturing outside of Art-Hanoi for a moment, first of all Vietnamese Wikipedia is a great source 🎓 of information 🛈, from every Vietnamese dynasty, and/or era they have an “X dynasty coinage” article like the ones I published for Chinese (and non-Chinese people that ruled over (parts of) China) dynasties, these were very well detailed with lots of information 🛈 on every individual coin, unfortunately for Anglophones there isn't that much information 🛈 on Vietnamese coins, and every time I did a Bing search for “Vietnamese coins” and their history, even when rely specific 9 out of 10 results were “Vietnam War this”, and “Vietnam War that”, try looking for anything Vietnamese and half of the results are memorials for U.S. American soldiers, or their actions. Eventually I did stumble upon enough sources to add to the article, and it looks informative now, probably the most complete information on Vietnamese coins on the internet. 😜 🤓😝
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While doing research for the Vietnamese văn article I stumbled upon an article written by a Non-Hispanic Vietnamese American man regarding Japanese copper coins in Viet-Nam, the content was originally hosted (and still is) on the Chinese Coinage Website, and was later copied to his own website about Vietnamese culture, and history, inspired by this I started drafting a “Nagasaki trade coins” (Dutch: Nagasaki handelsmunten) article, while drafting the “Background”, and “History” sections of that article I had found that I had gone into too much details regarding non-Nagasaki Trade coins, so I decided to split the draft in two (2), one would become the “Nagasaki trade coins” article, and another would be added to the “Japanese mon (currency)” article. Now at this point in time the “Tenpou Tsuuhou” article I had published weeks prior contained more information than the entirety of the “Japanese mon (currency)” article, and I could copy some research from that article into the draft as well, originally I had placed the “Nagasaki trade coins” in the “See also” section of the “Japanese mon (currency)” article, so I dug up all of my old, and/or discarded drafts and integrated those into the history section draft I was working on.
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While doing research for the “Nagasaki Trade Coins” article I found out that Japanese Wikipedia already had an article on it as well as that pictures 📷 of every Nagasaki Trade coin were already on Wikimedia Commons, and that Dr. Luke Roberts from the University of California at Santa Barbara also discussed them in his works. Finishing that article became easy and I could focus more on the “Japanese mon (currency)” article.
Now let me first explain how looking for sources goes for this thing, English language sources on the history of Japanese copper coins is extremely sparse and often only covers a very small fraction of its history at a time, in fact “the most complete” (as in with the most background, and content) was (ironically) that Vietnamese(-American) source 🎓 that wasn't written by the Bank of Japan 🗾, from that time on a looooooong hunt for references began, at first I simply started taking ALL of Dr. Luke Roberts’ internet-pages, + all of his references, and sources, then I started visiting sources I had used in the past, then I opened up Microsoft Bing, and started looking for new sources. Like with the “Vietnamese văn” article the sources all cover completely different aspects of the history of the mon, and awkwardly pasting them together required a lot of reworking, some sources went into a lot of details with one part, then neglected the next century, while others did the exact opposite.
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Now a part of the reason why I even expanded the “Japanese mon (currency)” article was because I had already added 2 (two) lists earlier, one of every government-made mon, and one of coins minted by local governments, and Daimyou; I simply didn't want the “Japanese mon (currency)” article to become “just another list-type article”. Another reason was the fact that the tone of the article contained a lot of content in ”Bad English”, and non-wikispeak like starting a sentence “by the way”, now today (as of July 20th, 2017) these sentences are still here as I am “a Radical Inclusionist” and do not wish 🌠 to delete ANY content unless it's factually wrong 👎🏻 (like the claim that “tempo” was Japanese for 100. 😒), so I just tweaked what I could and pasted my expanded “History” draft in the middle essentially “splitting” the non-wikispeak content as a means of making sure that the article is well detailed while not removing anything. 😅
The main reason why I included the table on Red seal ships going to Northern-, & Southern-Vietnam was because I had used that in my draft for the “Nagasaki trade coins” but discarded it really early on in the drafting process, it seemed relevant enough for the export section, but not many other countries are named other than Viet-Nam. 🤔
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What the article can still be improved on today (writing this as of July 20th, 2017) is the fact that I could easily find which coins were made before the Kan’ei Tsuuhou but not why they were unsuccessful, the Bunkyuu Eihou was a 4 (four) mon coin manufactured decades after the Tenpou Tsuuhou was introduced and already destroyed the value of lower denomination coins with its massive inflation but I can’t seem to find sources that discuss anything as to why they were made, how they circulated, or what their effect was on the market. All English language sources can tell me about the Bunkyuu Eihou is that it looks identical to the 4 mon Kan’ei Tsuuhou, except for its inscription, but as the majority of the coins that circulated at that time were Tempou Tsuuhou coins there really isn't much I could find on them.
In a weird twist of fate the “Japanese mon (currency)” article is the polar opposite of the other articles here, the rest are all “complete” in their written information 🛈 but lack images, I can easily make a Wikitable of 52 mint marks for the “Korean mun” article, explain that there are around 5.000 different variants of the Sang P'yŏng T'ong Bo coin, of which 3.126 varieties have been documented by The authoritative Korean coin catalogue (高麗朝鮮時代貨幣). But in all of Wikimedia Commons as of July 20th, 2017 there is only 1 (one) image. 😓 Not much is different with the rest, I gathered all of the information 🛈 from every corner of the internet perusing through things like blogs and the most amateur forums in the world 🗺 to highly respected academic research papers and historical analyses yet find (almost) no images on Wikimedia, but with the copper Japanese mon coins the information 🛈 is more scattered and scarce while the images are abundant in Wikimedia Commons, the only other article I can name on where I lacked information 🛈 like this is “Western Xia coinage”, but there the images were equally rare, with Japanese currencies pictures 📷 are simply overabundant. (no, that’s not a “racist” stereotype that Japanese people like to take pictures 24/7, I am very strictly talking about the fact that they’re (and their coins are) severely over-represented in Wikimedia Commons...) Well, at least illustrating the “Japanese mon (currency)” article was very easy to do, I never missed an image. 😅
With this article I feel GREAT shame, I’ve known for probably ten (10) years or more about cast Chinese Republican coinage from the early days of the Republic, and I’ve used Primal Trek before like half a decade ago, with other websites (often being linked as “External links” at the bottom) also confirming this, but it wasn't until I found that reference list for “5.000 years” (more accurately only 2, and a ½ thousand years) of Chinese coinages that I really felt the need of adding a “Early Republican” section for cast Chinese coinages. Well Sir David Hartill’s propaganda worked as I bought his book 📚 after seeing it a few dozen times on Wikipedia, and I've probably added it three-fold (if not waaayyyy more) in various Wikipedia articles, and yes also he lists early cast Repubican coins, the same goes for Gary Ashkenazy's Primal Trek at the bottom of this page, and since I’ve literally milled every letter of Primal Trek, AND THE BLOG(S), I really had to add the Republican coinage of which I’ll upload an image in the future once I’ve acquired one of those coins. Further as the “X Dynasty coinage” articles I published had already explained the history of cash coins from the beginning until the end I thought that I would let the “Cash (Chinese coin)” article focus more on the nature of those coins themselves going into detail as to how they’re manufactured (after reading the interesting history Mr. David Hartill describes in his book 📚), there’s not much to add here, just that I had noted the manufacturing, and post-Imperial cash coins, it basically serves as “a Mother article” or “Ancestor article” (pun intended) for the “X Dynasty coinage” articles, and mostly serves as a reference point, the other articles go into full detail regarding their history, inscriptions, denominations, metallic compositions, value, Etc. While that article can mostly serve about how they evolved, and were manufactured.
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Well, there isn't much to say about this one, a source I had used for “Qing dynasty coinage” contained information 🛈 on these coins, and I kind of didn't want that article linking to a stub that could be deleted at any moment. However my main reason must’ve been because I was bored so I forced myself to expand it. 😅
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I see that you've made it this far reading my page. 😱
I've actually been an editor for around 10 years, I've made my first account around that time to edit West Frisian Wikipedia (Frysk), though I only made 1 article back then and mostly edit sparse content here, and there. Over time I made another account, I was happy editing as an IP user, but as everyone kept commenting more about how my IP address kept changing and accusing me of sock-puppeteering I made another account, at first I only made templates and articles about software but then I got addicted to Wikipedia and I wrote thousands of pages (THAT'S NOT EVEN AN EXAGGERATION), I've had dozens of accounts and wrote in the fields of history, historical countries, information technology, computers, economy, businesses, consumer products, etc. So writing about coins is quite new for me as I prefer reading about them. 🤓 Over the years I've had dozens of accounts (that never edited in the same fields as I feel that would seem like a conflict of interest) and I've lost access to them by forgetting my password way too often 😵, sometimes because I changed cell.-phones, other times because I cleared my browser cache without realising that I didn't note my password anywhere. 🔏 I prefer not to name any of my earlier accounts or acknowledge them at the top of my page because those accounts have no relation with the edits I do in the fields of numismatics. Also I've made so many accounts over the years that I was forced to make one with my real name because I ran out of ideas 💡, and I'm a very creative person. 😅 I hope that you're enjoying Wikipedia, have fun. 😉
I see that you've made it to the bottom of my talk page and now you're reading my (not so) secret message, if you're a fun 🎉 person type "I've read your user page, and now I'm a Don-expert." on my talk page, I won't reply or anything, it's more of a social experiment. 😋
How it looked as of --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) ("The Chinese Coin Troll" 👿) (Articles 📚) 09:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC) (MINUS THE SOCKNASTER BOX, which I have kept out so this won't become another No_INDEX user page, which seem unnecessarily punitive, but I do want to use my search engine 🚂 to easily find my user page if I can remember bits of it, or just find it by coincidence.)
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