Template talk:Government of the Nguyễn dynasty

Bảo Đại period ministries and names in Hán-văn

@Donald Trung Here is the edict of the appointment of the five ministers in 1933, as published in the Thanh-Nghê-Tịnh News. According to this article, the five ministries of the new Cabinet were: 吏部, 國民教育部, 財政及社會救濟部, 司法部, 工作並美術禮儀部. 兵部 was abolished and the duties were assumed by the Minister of 吏部 (i.e. Mr. Ngo Dinh Diem). And as we know, after two years a 經濟部 was established.

• 工作並美術禮儀部 was later changed to 禮儀工作部. This Ministry is in some sense equivalent to two Ministries, the functions of which are 工作 and 禮儀, and which have two 參知, one for 工作 and one for 禮儀. The minister of it may also be referred to separately as the 工作部尚書 or the 禮儀部尚書.
• 財政及社會救濟部 was later changed to 財政部.

In short, this template can be updated. I hope this information will also help you with your article on Cabinet Reforms of the Bao-Dai period. 源義信 (talk) 15:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Source: 居正该总. 阮朝维新、启定、保大三朝尚书年表, Zhihu 源義信 (talk) 15:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

源義信, hello, I am currently drafting multiple improved templates at the English-language Wikipedia which can be found at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Donald_Trung/Template:Government_of_the_Nguy%E1%BB%85n_dynasty&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile , you can add some changes. I'm not entire sold on the Zhihu article because the ministries weren't reduced from 7 (seven) to 5 (five), but to 6 (six), this is actually mentioned in the Official Administrative Bulletin of Annam, which quotes the edicts from the Bulletin of the Southern Dynasty in the National Language (though I still haven't been able to actually find the latter). The Ministry of Finance and Social Relief wasn't appointed a minister in 1933, but the position of the Minister of Revenue was already vacant before the reforms. Thank you for sharing this information as it's very valuable.
I'm planning on making a concept article called "Administrative history of the Nguyễn Dynasty" which would list all territorial and bureaucratic reforms per Emperor from 1802 to 1945, unfortunately I haven't envisioned a good way to separate territorial reforms (provincial, districts, prefectures, protectorates, Etc.) from Southern Dynasty institutional reforms. For the English-language Wikipedia I am planning on making separate templates for the ministries and for the rest of the imperial government, this is because the ministries were common reformed. Please see the concepts I made there (feel free to edit them as you wish), as you can see I didn't update this template concurrently as I expected to do more research when I would actually make all those red links blue. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I was too quick to judge the Zhihu article as I only read the intro when I wrote the above. Thank you for sharing it, it's really useful. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)