Talk:Wiki Loves Monuments 2022 winners

russia in WLM2022

I'd say that the russian participation in this year's Wiki Loves Monuments can consist only of photos of Ukrainian (and perhaps Syrian, Chechniyan, Georgian, etc. etc. etc.) monuments russians destroyed.

All other entries by them should be absolutely ineligible, rejected with utter disgust, and russian participation in the WLM should be barred until further notice. KAP Jasa (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

The decision to include genocide perpetrators and monument destroyers in this years WLM is abominable. It is a conscious, political statement that amounts to genocide and destruction support - and it was made without consulting other participating countries (especially Ukraine), and other contributors to WLM. I as a contributor myself will absolutely reconsider having my entries displayed together with those from genocidal, monument-destroying russia.

In order to correct the unfortunate (and absolutely inappropriate) decision to include russia in this year's WLM, I'd suggest to eliminate it from the competition and have this link https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/damaged-cultural-sites-ukraine-verified-unesco in place of their contributions (I have done this, please do not delete it again). Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KAP Jasa (talk • contribs) 11:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@KAP Jasa: while I equally detest Kremlin's barbaric acts in Ukraine, seen all over the news, I think this page is not the right place to air your concern. Commons talk:Wiki Loves Monuments 2022 should have been the right place. Also, be aware that there is no freedom of panorama in Ukraine, hence destroyed monuments whose designers (sculptors or architects) are not yet dead for more than 70 years – still under posthumous copyright – are not allowed to be hosted on Wikimedia Commons. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 01:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - I will open the conversation there. Regarding the freedom of panorama in Ukraine - unfortunately the russians destroyed so many old enough Ukrainian monuments that there will be no problem to fill the gallery many times over. KAP Jasa (talk) 08:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

@KAP Jasa: if a certain monument from Ukraine, be it a building or sculpture, is made by architect or sculptor who has been dead for more than 70 years, then it is in public domain and freely-licensed photos of it can be uploaded. Due to lack of FOP there, tens of thousands of photos of more recent works from Ukraine have been redacted. Unsure if freedom of panorama will be introduced in the beleaguered country. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:14, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

@ZmajiZmajiZmaji: (using your present user name) unwelcoming update for you. The Ukrainian parliament modernized their country's copyright law in December 2022. There is now a freedom of panorama exception BUT it is for non-profit uses of images of Ukrainian monuments. See COM:FOP Ukraine (updated by me several months ago). Still unacceptable here, as Commons only allows commercial-type licenses. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 07:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Let me just mention that ruined German churches and Finnish hospitals are also part of WLM Russia. For how long will they survive? I don't know. --Alexander 00:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)