Talk:New York City Subway bullets

What happen to the Nassau Street brown <R>?

2 Train

Why new 2 Train bullet, is there from 2004, not 1979 87.123.180.45 13:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

44 Jeatloh (talk) 09:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Fonts

The 1979 bullets should all be in Akzidenz-Grotesk, like the 1968 bullets, and in a smaller font size. The smaller fonts (sized roughly so that single letter bullets had the same size font as double letter bullets) lasted until at least 1988. Akzidenz, with possible exceptions for the J and Q/QB trains, lasted until around 1987. The bullets under 1979 are much closer to the post-1987 bullets given their font and size; the colors are right, however.

1967 Colors

Though the 1970 Graphics Standards Manual cited PMS 312 for 3, 8, E and M, and PMS 354 for CC, GG, RR and SS, various subway maps issued between 1967 and 1973 appear to have used PMS 306 for the former routes, and PMS 355 for the latter. PMS 355 later carried over to the 1979 color scheme, and PMS 312 was later used for the JFK Express whose color was a shade darker than 3, E and M.

In addition, after 1972, black colored lines alternated with what appeared to be PMS 401 Grey, for use if the background was black. –Wbwn (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

I double-checked my copy of the second Vignelli map (issued late 1972/early 1973), and it would appear that PMS 311 was the color used for 3, 8, E and M; plus, while the first map used PMS 401 as alternating with the black-bulleted lines, the second appeared to use PMS 400. –Wbwn (talk) 10:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

1969 Front Roll Signs

1969 front roll signs for R-16, R-32 and R-38 cars also reserved for a proposed MM line, which was to be colored green (PMS 355, or PMS 354 by the 1970 Graphics Standards Manual). Such roll signs also showed the by-then defunct JJ and TT lines (with some signs showing JJ's color as PMS 130 Yellow rather than PMS 165 Orange). –Wbwn (talk) 15:08, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Someone seems to have found this at (and is selling it) https://www.ebay.com/itm/193412636895 Transitmatt (talk) 01:44, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I'd definitely put into the 1969 column - after creating a green "MM" bullet - this designation (after mention of the MJ discontinuance): "Rollsigns made in April and July for the R16, R32 and R38 subway cars have a provision for an MM Sixth Avenue-Myrtle Avenue service (a forerunner to the post-2010 M line), along with the by-then defunct JJ and TT lines." As well as a "Bullets reserved on the R16/32/38" section below the added/deleted section. –Wbwn (talk) 10:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi there, there seems to be vandalism in the form of reroutes at the bottom of the page by 24.47.20.166. The person has also changed a few images and text. I have since reverted those edits. Please look out for edits and revert as needed. Transitmatt (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

 Semi-protected for 6 months. --Achim55 (talk) 08:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Transitmatt (talk) 02:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Dyre Av. Shuttle SS

The green SS bullet was originally used for the Dyre Avenue Shuttle, which served alongside the 5 line. See [1] for more details. Transitmatt (talk) 17:01, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

1979 Colors

When John Tauranac assigned the colors to individual trunk lines beginning with the 1979 map, there were variances to what are currently shown:

- The yellow routes were to be PMS 130 C (but on uncoated stock, PMS 116 was used; apparently 116 was mandated for the Broadway line in the same year as PMS 300 was replaced with PMS 286 for the Eighth Avenue line)

- The Canarsie line (still LL at that point) was PMS 430 C & U

- The 'S' shuttles were PMS (Process) Black C & U (it wasn't until recent years that 50% halftone was mandated for L, and 70% for S)

- While he assigned PMS 355 C to the Lexington Avenue line (apparently carried over from the 1967 colors of which this applied to CC, GG, RR, SS and the ultimately never-put-into-service MM), the first 1979 map used PMS 354 U

- While PMS 376 was Tauranac's designated color for the GG (now G), it would appear the lighter PMS 375 was used on the map as printed on uncoated paper

- As the JFK Express color of PMS 312 was deemed 'turquoise', and the 1967 3, 8, E and M coloring 'light blue', it would seem that those colors would originally have been PMS 311 rather than 312; I saw that lighter color used for the second Vignelli map of 1972; on which, also, PMS 116 was used in place of PMS 130 on the uncoated paper on which it was printed (130's dark amber orangeish tint would have looked not too dissimilar to the 165 orange)

- Seeing the first 1967 map, I wonder if that was PMS 123 on the yellow colors. Wasn't as yellowish as 116 on the uncoated, but not as dark as 130.

‒ Wbwn (talk) 16:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)