Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments/Help desk/archive/2024

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When browsing the 2022 winners I can't find a link back to the Commons version of the file. For example I am viewing the thumbnail for "Sacred Heart chapel in Jaszczurówka at Zakopane , Poland" but can't figure out how to view the original in full size. Will this be fixed for the 2023 winners? --Commander Keane (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Participating

Good morning, I've uploaded a picture on the contest wiki loves monument. Is it right that i have set the date of the picture when i catched it? The site set the date of upload by defoault. Does it change something in che evaluation of the picture? Thank You. Best regards. Colombo Nicola

Colombo Nicola (talk) 06:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Colombo Nicola: You have done everything correctly, do not worry. Ymblanter (talk) 06:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
thank you🙏 151.48.78.51 07:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Cancellazione Foto

Buongiorno, per un mio errore ho caricato delle immagini già caricate in precedenza il loro ID è questo (wiki-ID: 01B0430005). Come posso cancellarle?


Talete1 (talk) 08:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Buongiorno Talete1, gli amministratori (come me) possono cancellarli per voi. Quali sono i nomi dei file? (courtesy ping @Dario Crespi (WMIT)) Ciell (talk) 06:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

hi

Geelav (talk) 02:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC) i'm from Haiti i have some difficulties to participate . How you can help me?

@Geelav can you share more about what hinders your participation in Wiki Loves Monuments? What problems do you encounter? Ciell (talk) 06:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)



Como posso saber se já publiquei uma foto? Obrigada

Maria Lucia P. Sampaio (talk) 01:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Maria Lucia P. Sampaio: Pode encontrar os seus uploads na secção “upload” da sua conta: [1]. Ciell (talk) 06:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
(cc: @SSoster (WMB)) Ciell (talk) 06:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
obrigada! Maria Lucia P. Sampaio (talk) 02:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Where are the errors?

I've tried uploading photos and descriptions, but got message that there are three errors that need to be corrected. I can't seem to find them! And I fear losing all my work so far. 2804:14C:7D80:95FB:52B7:78FD:D250:95DB 02:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

How can I check my email associated to Commons? I want to be sure to be ok to partecipate to wiki loves monuments 2024 contest, thank you

barbara gerosa (talk) 16:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Barbaragerosa, you'll need to go to your Preferences, find the 'User Profile' tab, and then scroll down until you see a section called 'Email Options'. If you have an email associated with your account, you should be able to see which one it is in this area of your Preferences. If you don't see an email listed under 'Email Options' then you will need to add one. I hope that helps! Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (talk) 20:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Wrong year template 2023 category ?

4 images were uploaded for Wiki Loves Monuments 2024 by user:James LILLAR, but they got the wrong category 2023 due to an unknown reason:

How would this be possible? Possibly other contributions might be impacted? I have investigated the campaign but everythins seems to be OK. Could this be caused by incorrect caching, making that the campaign was still referring to 2023? To be sure I have emptied the cache now. I have manually corrected the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2024|be}} and added more metadata. --Geert Van Pamel 12:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@Romaine: Ymblanter (talk) 09:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
The campaign itself has the right year since August. The cache of the campaigns itself was cleared in August and again at the beginning of the contest. If the cache wasn't cleared, the WLM template would not have been added at all. So how this is possible is unclear to me.
(PS: The uploader uses a watermark in the images, which is not good.) Romaine (talk) 13:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine

I would suggest organizers of the Ukrainian WLM-2024 competition to add rules concerning restrictive FoP rights of the country. Ukrainian law does not permit images of monuments that have economic significance, so non-commercial only (but it is against COM:Licensing to disallow commercial Creative Commons licenses). The problem is that multiple monuments with designated numbers (likely part of the cultural heritage designation of Ukraine) are copyrighted. Examples: Category:Monument to Taras Shevchenko in Irpin (DR) and Category:Monument to Taras Shevchenko in Orativ (DR). If the Ukrainian authorities still do not want commercial uses of their monuments, then it is strongly suggested to add relevant rules in the Ukrainian competition, so that only old Ukrainian monuments (either from pre-1930s or those whose sculptors have died for more than 70 years) are permitted to be hosted here. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@JWilz12345: We do have rules regarding FoP, they exist for a few years already, see uk:Вікіпедія:Вікі любить пам'ятки/Свобода панорами. The freedom of panorama is also mentioned on the new contest home page: uk:Вікіпедія:Вікі любить пам'ятки#copyright.
However, the situation is not black and white, so we can't just say don't upload pictures of all post 1930s monuments. Sometimes monuments are not copyrightable, for instance, File:Radekhiv Liubomlskyi Volynska-monument in honor of the first truckers who worked in the fields of Volyn-general view-1.jpg was built in 1966 but doesn't contain anything copyrightable. Some are mass produced, and for those we need to track the earliest copy installed, for instance, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bratski mogyly teremno.JPG. Sometimes it is possible to picture a part of the monument which is not copyrighted, for instance, despite this DR File:Літописне місто Переяслав IMG 1161.jpg is still useful for Commons. And sometimes we manage to get a permission, for instance, we got a VRT permission for Category:Music and Drama Theater, Rivne and files were undeleted.
In addition, there is often no way of finding out if the monument is copyrighted without doing extensive research, sometimes even without travelling there (which is not really feasible for 100K+ monuments). The official government database is pretty useless: for example, here is structured data for one of Taras Shevchenko monuments. The government data says it was built in 1814 and 1861, but these are his years of birth and death; and this database does not even have a field to indicate an author (these same Ukrainian authorities who protect copyright have chosen 60 fields to describe a monument, but none of them identifies authorship). We have sometimes crowdsourced more data from other sources, and in these cases we try flag this in the lists (such as uk:Вікіпедія:Вікі любить пам'ятки/Польська спадщина/Львівська область).
The solution is probably a mix of informing participants (which we do), trying to get more information about monuments and eventually permissions for them (which is a work in progress), and working to move some of the FoP-affected images locally to Ukrainian Wikipedia under EDP (which worked before but doesn't really happen now, happy to discuss further). On behalf of WLM Ukraine team — NickK (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
@NickK thanks for the response. As it is confirmed that your WLM landing pages have rules already, perhaps the sole responsibility lies with the photographers themselves (the uploaders). Nevertheless, it is implied here that there is a renewed attempt to liberalize FoP in Ukraine, but it just happened that political events in the country and the eventual Russo-Ukrainian war hindered such move. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 22:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
@JWilz12345: Yes, Wikimedia Ukraine mentioned there is also the organiser of Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine. We are indeed discussing this, but it is unfortunately not the highest priority during the war — NickK (talk) 22:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

So many pictures upload early


Can someone explain why there are so many photos included in the contest that are upload prior to October 2024 and especially so many not even taken in 2024?



Skarz (talk) 23:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Skarz, some countries had their Wiki Loves Monuments competition during the month of September. For other countries, like US, the competition period is October. As for the second part of your question: it is allowed that the pictures were taken before 2024. As long as the upload takes place in the competition period. I hope this answers both your questions. HenkvD (talk) 17:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Need help fixing categories and templates for a few 100 images for WLM Palestine ASAP

Hi all, can I ask for help with something? My friend in West Bank has uploaded 100s of photos for Wiki Loves Monuments Palestine, but he's never done anything with Wikimedia before and he's uploading from his phone with a poor connection so they've uploaded without the proper categories and templates. Does anyone know what the proper categories and templates are and how to check if they've been added and if not how to add them? I really don't want him to have put so much effort in and then them aren't counted :( If anyone could explain how to do it, or even better can fix it in a few click I'd really really appreciate it.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 09:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Basically, all the files uploaded between 1st Sept and 30 Sept, that have the WLM 2024 template join in the competition, so from a random small sample I would say their images are eligible (but ping for @Romaine to double check). What would be essential to use these images in the Wikimedia projects is the mention of what monument is depicted: he mentions the names, which is already helpful, but what would be even better is to have a monument-id.
Most of the time that is why we advise national teams to steer their participants through an upload pipeline that includes monument lists on Wikipedia, or interactive maps: both can automatically add the right categories and templates connected to these monuments during the upload process. Ciell (talk) 07:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi Ciell, thanks so much for your reply, really helpful :) John Cummings (talk) 11:55, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama

Hello, I hope you are all well.

I hope the organizing team can answer this question that has been confusing me a lot. If we review this page, we will find that some countries completely prohibit publishing photos of their public places on Commons (mostly because of the type of license). This means that if I publish photos of monuments in my country Morocco on Wikimedia Commons, I will have committed a violation. Is this true ? (Note: The administrators have previously deleted photos I published for the same reason)

Thank you all Mounir Neddi (talk) 15:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Mounir Neddi,
Limited Freedom of Panorama is indeed a problem in many countries. Every country participating in WLM has a work around though, and in the case of Morocco the images that are eligible for WLM (and also, a good rule of thumb for images of building in Morocco in general) is the exemption for buildings who's exteriors have gone into the public domain because of their age. So, no to the new Hassan 2 mosque from Casablanca (as I myself had to learn the hard way a few years back!), and yes to cities like Aït Ben Haddou. The national team of WLM Morocco will have more details for you, so pinging @Abdeaitali & Rachidourkia for attention. Ciell (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello @Ciell
Thank you for your detailed response.
Regarding the possibility of uploading pictures of old buildings, it is not correct according to Moroccan law. (Law No. 2-00 on Copyright and Related Rights (promulgated by Dahir No. 1-00-20 of 9 Kaada 1420 (February 15, 2000), and amended by Law No. 34‐05)
Article 25 of this law states that old buildings are exempted from economic rights only, not moral rights.
Article 20 of the same law explains what is meant by moral rights, it is: CC BY-ND
We all know that Wikimedia Commons does not accept the (CC BY-ND) license. That's why Morocco is shown in red on the map (Not Ok, No exceptions).
To upload any image of public places in Morocco to Wikimedia Commons, the only way is to upload it with a fake license (CC BY or CC0 or CC BY-SA), what is considered a violation of copyright.
Best regards Mounir Neddi (talk) 18:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Mounir Neddi,
Moral rights are a non-copyright restriction, so a kind of right that is different from copyright. Moral rights can exist alongside Public Domain and Commons considers non-copyright restrictions to be matters for photographers/uploaders or reusers, and therefore they are not grounds for deletion of works from Commons. See Commons:Non-copyright restrictions to learn more. Ciell (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Thank you @Ciell for the clarification, it is not that easy, read again and you will find many exceptions.
However, I think that participants should at least be reminded of these rules so that further violations do not occur. Mounir Neddi (talk) 20:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
@Mounir Neddi still, at least one erring image slipped through. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 03:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Already uploaded to Commons

If a user has already uploaded an eligible file to Commons can they add the relevant template manually to enter the competion? The instructions and FAQ aren't clear on the matter. Commander Keane (talk) 20:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, provided the file was uploaded in the eligible period. Or anybody else can add it with the permission of the uploader. Ymblanter (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
@Commander Keane: Ymblanter (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Ymblanter, good to know. I have been bold and added to the FAQ. Someone should review my addition. Commander Keane (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Two submissions to WLM-PH

There are two submissions to Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2024 in the Philippines that do not appear to be under the scope of WLM:

These should be flagged with categories about out-of-scope submissions, like the category for File:Mosque in Talipao.jpg which was not under the scope of Commons:Wiki Loves Love 2019. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 01:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Another one: File:The Majestic Tappiyah Falls of Batad.jpg. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 02:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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