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Anna

Vote

For the last couple of weeks I have noticed that this user is asking people to provide a tag or a source to photos they upload. Anna has also been busy trying to give some structure to the category system. I am convinced that this is a trustworthy user who can be given more responsibilities.

Anna is also an administrator of Spanish Wikipedia, es:User:Cookie. So far, WikiCommons has only ony administrator who's native language is Spanish. On a related note, it has long been my impression that WikiCommons has more than its share of Spanish-speaking users who upload photos not published under a free license. Administrators who speak Spanish may be helpful to counter that.
Thuresson 05:05, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anna has been made an administrator now. - Andre Engels 14:06, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Votes

You are asking for explanations and do not expose any? Plese, explain! :).
00:42, 20 July 2005 (hist) (diff) m Eivissa (Eivissa moved to Ibiza)
01:41, 21 July 2005 (hist) (diff) Platja de la Barceloneta (Platja de la Barceloneta moved to Playa de la Barceloneta: the introduction is in catalanian and english, therefore the title must be in castillian)
22:54, 23 September 2005 (hist) (diff) A Coruña (redirect to La Coruña)
  •  Oppose --Prevert(talk) 19:48, 27 September 2005 (UTC) Premature nomination. Little knowledge of Commons's policies. Not NPOV in language policy. She must clarify her position in that subject. Someone who does not follow the policies can not be an administrator.[reply]
From http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anna
A Coruña
22:54, 23 September 2005 (hist) (diff) A Coruña (redirect to La Coruña)
Category:A Coruña
22:48, 23 September 2005 (hist) (diff) Category:A Coruña (redirect to category La Coruna (Too many categories for the same place))  
Catalunya
21:58, 21 July 2005 Dbenbenn m (Reverted edits by Anna to last version by Joan)
02:21, 21 July 2005 Anna (delete, redundant)
Platja de la Barceloneta
01:41, 21 July 2005 (hist) (diff) Platja de la Barceloneta (Platja de la Barceloneta moved to Playa de la Barceloneta: the   
introduction is in catalanian and english, therefore the title must be in castillian) 
01:41, 21 July 2005 (hist) (diff) m Playa de la Barceloneta (Platja de la Barceloneta moved to Playa de la Barceloneta)
Eivissa
00:42, 20 July 2005 (hist) (diff) m Eivissa (Eivissa moved to Ibiza)
Ibiza
07:55, 25 September 2005 Joanjoc (Ibiza moved to Eivissa: Prefered name for the city/island, as seen on the oficial website; http://www.eivissa.org/)

NOT NPOV IN LANGUAGE POLICY, ANNA TEXT FROM
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sanbec&diff=prev&oldid=541695
==Nacionalismos==	
Hace unas noches que estuve borrando la categoría Comunidades autónomas de España y la subcategoría Illes Balears, puesto que ya hay una Category:Autonomous communities of Spain llena de comunidades y una Category:Islas Baleares, además de reunir y organizar las imágenes de las islas que estaban desperdigadas. Esta noche, entre un usuario Joan y dos o tres IPs 
(probablemente el  mismo usuario) estaban creadas de nuevo, además de artículos repetidos con los mismos contenidos en Minorca,  
Menorca, Mallorca, Majorca y una Eivissa que he trasladado a Ibiza. He arreglado el desaguisado, enviado lo que sobraba a [[:
Category:Candidates for speedy deletion|speedy deletion]] y dejado un mensaje a User talk:217.124.66.49, pero no sé si servirá 
de algo. Te aviso de todo el lío por si vuelve a las andadas y tú tienes más argumentos que esgrimir. Anna 01:56, 20 
July 2005 (UTC)
Category:Illes Balears
in View deleted pages
01:00, 20 July 2005 . . Anna (delete, there was already a Islas Baleares category, no need for another)
00:07, 13 July 2005 . . Anna (content moved to :Category:Islas Baleares)
Lleida
View deleted pages
Lleida
17:56, 23 April 2005 . . Anna (Lleida moved to Lérida)
Lérida
08:55, 22 June 2005 Mormegil (Lérida moved to Lleida)

--Prevert(talk) 08:51, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Both of the edits cited date back to July, two months ago. I think it is very possible that she has learned the policies/realized her mistake since then. An absolutely different issue would be if this happened yesterday.--Orgullomoore 20:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also, regarding the Playa de la Barceloneta edit, besides it dating back 2 months, both Spanish and Catalan are official languages of Barcelona, Spain.--Orgullomoore 20:17, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that Anna is violating any rule. As you point out, policy states native name. I don't know if native means official (it would support your statement) or name in the official language of the place (that way, Anna would not be violating anything). My personal opinion is that the policy is obscure (and can be interpreted) and your vote can be regarded as biased by your political option. --Ecemaml 10:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please assume good faith, avoid bias about my argument and do not distort my point of view. Assume that Commons's policies are different from spanish wikipedia. This a multilingual wiki and native names are preferred. I want to know if Anna it agrees with Common's policies and in her edits avoid her personal opinion. Please explain me if this message is agreed with Commons:Language policy:
Anna´s message from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:217.124.66.49: 
Please, stop duplicating categories, there is already a category:Autonomous communities of Spain with the bulk  of the  
communities in it, no need for another named in Spanish with separated articles. It also existed a  Category:Islas Baleares, so   
Illes Balears is redundant and unnecessary. Eivissa is the vernacular name,  understood in Spain but not outside, therefore it is  
now a redirect to Ibiza and also, no need of having a Majorca,  Mallorca, Minorca and Menorca. Let's be coherent, this is Commons 
and articles must be easy to find and understand  for any foreigners who ignore the different languages in Spain. Anna 
01:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
And, please, does not transfer spanish wikipedia's discussions to commons. She could be a good administrator in Spanish Wikipedia and not good for Commons. --Prevert(talk) 11:53, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
¿Alguna razón, Antoine? ¿O simplemente porque puedes? (Puedes explicarte en español si te conviene más)--Orgullomoore 21:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Por ejemplo por Image:Publimetro.jpg --Antoine 03:53, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, I don't think that Anna is violating any rule. As you point out, policy states native name. I don't know if native means official (it would support your statement) or name in the official language of the place (that way, Anna would not be violating anything). My personal opinion is that the policy is obscure (and can be interpreted) and your vote can be regarded as biased by your political option. --Ecemaml 10:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No, she doesn't abuse adm powers in Spanish Wikipedia; look at her contributions there --Angustia 22:23, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Pau, your statement is laughable. Aren't you one of the guys that violate wikipetiquette in es.wikipedia whenever appears there? You know perfectly that guidelines in es.wikipedia are using traditional exonyms whenever they exist (BTW, the same rules than in ca.wikipedia). If you say that's abuse.... you probably don't understand what conventions are. --Ecemaml 10:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the use of 'traditional exonyms', but I think a exonymus is traditional when people really use it, not when it appeared in Franco's documents, even if it appears in Encarta or Google Earth. Besides, Ecemaml also have had some accusation of abusing adm powers and imposing unnatural translations of , haven't he?--62.15.156.164 21:09, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
;-) Sure. People that enforce rules are usually accussed of abusing. It's a pity that the accusers use ca.wikipedia to denounce and not the proper place (es.wikipedia). --Ecemaml 12:48, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that Anna is violating any policy. Please explain --Ecemaml 10:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Explanation:
From http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anna
A Coruña
22:54, 23 September 2005 (hist) (diff) A Coruña (redirect to La Coruña)
Category:A Coruña
22:48, 23 September 2005 (hist) (diff) Category:A Coruña (redirect to category La Coruna (Too many categories for the same place))  
Catalunya
21:58, 21 July 2005 Dbenbenn m (Reverted edits by Anna to last version by Joan)
02:21, 21 July 2005 Anna (delete, redundant)
Platja de la Barceloneta
01:41, 21 July 2005 (hist) (diff) Platja de la Barceloneta (Platja de la Barceloneta moved to Playa de la Barceloneta: the   
introduction is in catalanian and english, therefore the title must be in castillian) 
01:41, 21 July 2005 (hist) (diff) m Playa de la Barceloneta (Platja de la Barceloneta moved to Playa de la Barceloneta)
Eivissa
00:42, 20 July 2005 (hist) (diff) m Eivissa (Eivissa moved to Ibiza)
Ibiza
07:55, 25 September 2005 Joanjoc (Ibiza moved to Eivissa: Prefered name for the city/island, as seen on the oficial website; http://www.eivissa.org/)

NOT NPOV IN LANGUAGE POLICY, ANNA TEXT FROM
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sanbec&diff=prev&oldid=541695
==Nacionalismos==	
Hace unas noches que estuve borrando la categoría Comunidades autónomas de España y la subcategoría Illes Balears, puesto que ya hay una Category:Autonomous communities of Spain llena de comunidades y una Category:Islas Baleares, además de reunir y organizar las imágenes de las islas que estaban desperdigadas. Esta noche, entre un usuario Joan y dos o tres IPs 
(probablemente el  mismo usuario) estaban creadas de nuevo, además de artículos repetidos con los mismos contenidos en Minorca,  
Menorca, Mallorca, Majorca y una Eivissa que he trasladado a Ibiza. He arreglado el desaguisado, enviado lo que sobraba a [[:
Category:Candidates for speedy deletion|speedy deletion]] y dejado un mensaje a User talk:217.124.66.49, pero no sé si servirá 
de algo. Te aviso de todo el lío por si vuelve a las andadas y tú tienes más argumentos que esgrimir. Anna 01:56, 20 
July 2005 (UTC)
Category:Illes Balears
in View deleted pages
01:00, 20 July 2005 . . Anna (delete, there was already a Islas Baleares category, no need for another)
00:07, 13 July 2005 . . Anna (content moved to :Category:Islas Baleares)
Lleida
View deleted pages
Lleida
17:56, 23 April 2005 . . Anna (Lleida moved to Lérida)
Lérida
08:55, 22 June 2005 Mormegil (Lérida moved to Lleida)
  •  Strong support Johnbojaen 23:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC) She's a great administrator at the Spanish Wikipedia, so she will be a great administrator at Commons, I'm sure.[reply]
  •  Support --Wricardoh 23:22, 27 September 2005 (UTC). I know her at the Spanish wikipedia and any affirmation of her abusing adm powers there can not be sustained. The questions about the naming policies seem exagerated. Many places in Spain have two official names in two different languages and their most common use have changed even in the last five years. If you do not to live there you may be confused with the most right name.[reply]
El problema es que SÍ viven en España, concretamente Lmbuga, Xelo2004, Rocastelo y Prevert son gallegos, y Pau y Viktor catalanes, con lo que demuestran que lo único que quieren aquí es imponer su punto de vista sobre algo que ya está hablado y requetehablado, y les importa un pimiento que Anna sea una gran bibliotecaria. Lo de siempre. Johnbojaen 23:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Moved comments made by Ecemaml to my user talk page.
I don't think that Anna is ignoring any convention. As you point out, policy states native name. I don't know if native means official (it would support your statement) or name in the official language of the place (that way, Anna would not be violating anything). My personal opinion is that the policy is obscure (and can be interpreted) and your vote can be regarded as biased by your political option. --Ecemaml 10:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Toniher 11:02, 28 September 2005 (UTC) I lament voting against anyone. But naming conventions is a hot topic and I am afraid of higher tension, I would suggest Anna to clarifiy her position about before any decision is adopted.[reply]
  •  Support I believe Anna to be among the fairest-minded administrators I've ever worked with, and to the best of my knowledge she has no linguistic or political agenda to push. The allegedly broken rule on endonymy is ambiguous, in that both Catalan and Spanish are officially-spoken languages in Catalonia and the Balearic islands, as are Galician and Spanish; this should be clarified in policy before any heated arguments about her fitness for the position is called into question (that being said, I'm for the Catalan and Galician toponyms). Taragüí @ 11:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I'm against what she is doing with the toponyms. If you want to put the official name of a town, you must put both languages and not only in Spanish (Alacant/Alicante, Castelló de la Plana/Castellón de la Plana, Eivissa/Ibiza, and so on), because of bilinguism of these Communities, but there are some towns that have only a Catalan, Galician or Basque toponym (you can see it in the road signs) like Lleida (not Lérida) or Girona (not Gerona) or Sanxenxo (not Sanjenjo). Please, follow the policy states native name.--Pepetps 12:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Strong support --La ratica 13:22, 28 September 2005 (UTC), who don't think a two months old incident should disqualify anyone. ¡Cuídate![reply]
  •  Support We are talking about spanish places set in spanish languages. That's how the'd be found in almost any spanish map (maybe different in little regional maps) so that's the language it should be written. Moreover, many spanish people wouldn't know what name that place has (i wouldn't have found Ibiza with that name and i'm spanish born). And people would try to find them at first by a guess with the name not duplicated/triplicated names. I don't start doing searches in three or four different names of a places to see if it's in commons or not. I'd assume it is not. Platonides 15:20, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support (de:) Longbow4u 15:23, 28 September 2005 (UTC) I can't believe that a veritable proxy war about languages in Spain is fought. If one steps back and cools down, there is a solution for everyone, as EugeneZelenko pointed out. This is not a vote to change Commons language policy. Anna has contributed constructively to Commons for several months and will be a good admin, too, I am sure.--user talk:Agremon 18:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose --user talk:Agremon 18:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anna don't participate with mainlines and rules of the entire community in ralation with other Spanish languages. It's possible that in the future, can change and demonstrate this change. So, it's needed almost a time to favourish this change of mind in Anna.
  •  Strong support --Taichi 21:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC): A great support for Anna, beacuase she looks all the pictures, and this is full patience.[reply]
  •  Support --Venex 01:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC) More users who are able to speak spanish will be helpful[reply]
  •  Support --Juanmak 08:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC) the toponyms war is absurd! cookie is way better than that.[reply]
  •  Support --Rafaelji 16:46, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support --Tony Rotondas 17:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose --Auztrel 03:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Cinabrium 04:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Ejrrjs 09:54, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Diego UFCG 13:14, 1 October 2005 (UTC) - I have nothing personal against her. However, my vote is preventive because I think that official and native are different concepts. If both Castilian and Galician/Catalan are native, then the toponyms in these languages must coexist. If Spanish is official but not native the endonym is preferred. -Diego UFCG 13:14, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support --Oscar . 07:05, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Strong support --Dodo 16:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC) ¡Bravo![reply]
  •  Strong support --Alexan (♦♦♦♦) 20:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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