Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives October 24 2024

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File:Closing_ceremony,_Wikimania_2024,_Katowice_(WM246080).jpg

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  • Nomination Closing ceremony of Wikimania 2024 in Katowice --MB-one 10:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Oppose imho not QI --GiovanniPen 16:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
@GiovanniPen: Can you please state your reason? --MB-one 07:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose May be a bit blurry. Even the singers are not very sharp. --Sebring12Hrs 14:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Nothing really sharp, also non-ideal angle (contributing to the lack of DoF). --Plozessor 05:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Total: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Declined   --Peulle 07:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

File:Castle_of_Najac_24.jpg

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  • Nomination Castle of Najac (by Tournasol7) --Sebring12Hrs 16:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  OpposeThe perspective is overprocessed. The walls looks to be leaning outwards. --Vsatinet 21:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
 Comment I can't see anything leaning. The walls are straight to me. Other opinion ? --Sebring12Hrs 08:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
 Comment Moving to CR. --Sebring12Hrs 07:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
  • The walls of the towers in the frame are completely vertical, and because of this, the perspective seems unnatural for a low shooting point. --Vsatinet 11:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Comment So I don't understand why we correct perspective... --Sebring12Hrs 17:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Support "The walls of the towers in the frame are completely vertical" which actually is a criteria for QI (unless there's a good reason for a different perspective). To me it seems that the tower walls themselves are leaning outwards and the picture is perfectly fine. Also otherwise the quality is very good. --Plozessor 06:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
 Comment "The walls of the towers on the picture are completely vertical" and "it seems that the tower walls themselves are leaning outwards" - I think this is a contradiction and a sign of incorrect perspective on picture. If towers actually leaning themself - they must be leaning on picture and wise versa - if towers are vertical themself they must seems vertical on picture. BTW on other pictures of this castle towers doesn't seems leaning out. This is one of those cases where a wide-angle shot requires more complex perspective correction than just making all the lines vertical to make it look natural. Vsatinet 10:05, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
I just quoted you. As I see it, the walls of the castle (main building) are vertical in reality and on the picture. The walls of the towers are crooked in reality and on the picture. In any case, there's nothing 100 % vertical in mediaeval buildings - if some walls on a picture are vertical while others are not, it's usually not a photographic error but the walls are simply crooked in reality. --Plozessor 03:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
I'll try explain my point. Sorry for long summary and my english.
  1. The shot is taken with wide angle lens (see EXIF if that isn't clear) from point which is close to the object and lower than object. Obviously lines that themself are vertical or near vertical, are leaned inward on original shot.
  2. On this picture all vertical lines are absolutely straight, and for main building and for towers (except closest to camera angle between walls which is slightly crook). It's easy to check with rulers in any photoeditor. That is, the perspective in this picture has been corrected.
  3. As a result outsite walls of towers seems for me leaned outwards (and for you too, as I understand). But we can't know are they actually leaned or no. In my humble experience I am almost certain that this visual effect is the result of correction and not the actual view of the castle themself (see above about contradiction between all completely vertical lines and towers that seem to lean outward). And as I noted above, I didn't see this effect on others shots of this castle.
  4. In any case the result seems for me unnatural for this point of shooting.
And by the way may first remark here was comment, not vote for declain. I just noted that perspective on this picture seems unnatural (assuming it may be possibly fixed), but if this correspond to QI criteria - OK, let it correspond. Vsatinet 20:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
About the first comment, if you didn't decline then the image should not have been moved to discussions. "We can't know are they [the towers] actually learned or no[t]", indeed, but usually everything in mediaeval buildings is leaned and crooked and nothing is straight and vertical. --Plozessor 04:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I agree with you. But commoners decided. --Sebring12Hrs 12:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose per Vsatinet. It's not badly distorted, but anyway looks unrealistic due to perspective correction. -- Екатерина Борисова 16:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
 Comment But the castle is exactly like that in reality, I don't understand.... --Sebring12Hrs 18:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
 Comment I really don't understand and I will be more severe with some pictures from now on. --Sebring12Hrs 09:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
 Comment @Sebring12Hrs This case is borderline to me but as a general statement : I also do believe that strong PC applied on pictures of buildings and structures creates something really unnatural to one's eyes. In this case, a strong PC was needed because of the large focal length and position of the photographer (under the base of the castle). Of course, the lines here are vertical, but the difference between what we can all see through our eyes and the geometry of strongly-PCed pictures creates the impression that this building has a weird shape, leaning out on both sides. That's why I stopped candidating for QI with architecture pictures taken with a wide angle (and upload to Commons both a PCed and non-PCed version of those pictures as I can't choose which one is best). --Benjism89 17:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
 Comment Thanks a lot for this extremely useful comment. -- Екатерина Борисова 21:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Declined   --Peulle 07:39, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

File:At Geneva 2024 470 - Tram at Ponts de l'Île.jpg

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  • Nomination Tram at Ponts de l'Île, Geneva --Mike Peel 07:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Oppose Unclear subject of photo. If it's the tram then it's not very prominent. --AVDLCZ 09:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Support I disagree. The image, description and categories mention both the tram and the bridge's name. And the picture clearly shows the bridge with a tram on it. --ArildV 10:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Comment If we're strict then the file name does not meet the requirements in Commons:File naming (like most of Mike's pictures). I suggest to rename at least the QI candidates to something meaningful. Otherwise, this is a smartphone picture of borderline quality, but IMO it would be above the bar. I would support it with a proper filename. --Plozessor (talk) 07:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Per Plozessor. --Sebring12Hrs 17:15, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
 Support Thx, otherwise the picture is good (at least for a smartphone image). --Plozessor 09:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Promoted   --Peulle 07:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)