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  • Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Places/Natural
  •  Info created and uploaded by Webysther - nominated by Arion -- 😄 ArionEstar 😜 00:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support I think this is one of the panoramas with the highest resolution ever proposed. -- 😄 ArionEstar 😜 00:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose The horizon is everything but not straight. Also, I'd prefer more landscape and less clouds. ArionEstar, don't you want to slow down a bit? Your nominations exhaust local reviewers which is not good for the community and for the project. It seems like your nominations are based on hit and miss technique. Considering that most of the time it's the miss, I'd suggest that you take a break from FPC and study the reasons why your previous nominations were rejected and try to learn from these reasons. Some other users already expressed their concern about the number and the quality of your nominations. Considering how many users contribute to Commons, we're only a very small community here at FPC. It's sad to see regular reviewers annoyed and you're not taking their concerns into your consideration. Please, listen to them and slow down and choose your nominations more carefully. All the best, --Podzemnik (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Podzemnik: I think I have the same exact problem as Arion, we both withdraw and quickly nominate another image. Only Cart has brought it up with me though, do you think that we're being a little too harsh on Arion? --BoothSift 04:48, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Boothsift, the difference is that you are a new user on this forum and you are still learning how to select photos. You have improved in your ways of seeing the finer aspects of photography and what is expected of an FP. Arion has been here for many years and is rather going in the opposite direction when it comes to selecting photos. --Cart (talk) 05:35, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Boothsift: I think we're not too harsh, we're just politely asking Arion to put more effort into selecting the images he wants to nominate as most of his nominations are rejected. Not a big deal from my point of view. I think things written down often look more serious than they actually are :) I really like that there are users who nominate other users images like you or Arion, it just can get tiresome for the community to see 4 nominations from the same user on the same day and all being rejected. Further per Cart's comment :) Regards, --Podzemnik (talk) 06:37, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment - Without prejudice to this particular nomination, Arion, you might consider posting some thumbnails of pictures you're considering nominating to Com:Photography critiques. I've gotten some very useful advice there when there were photos I really liked but wasn't sure they would get a good reception here. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Arion, even if you don't care about creating work for the voting FP community, could you please think about what you are doing to the photographers who's images you nominate? It is never pleasant to hear negative words about one's work. Yet for every careless nomination you create, a photographer gets 'pinged', you give them a false hope and they come to this page only to hear harsh words about their photos. A very careful selection process is not only about selecting the best photos, it is also about not bringing unnecessary negativity to people. If I nominate a 'bad' or controversial photo of my own and it gets shot down, it is not such a big deal, but I take very, very, very great care when I nominate someone else's photo since I don't want to disappoint them. --Cart (talk) 05:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I don't want to pile on here for just one user, but since it is being discussed... Another problem with frequent poor nominations where plenty fail, is that only a minority of reviewers are brave enough to oppose -- we have lots of reviewers who are so timid that they only ever support (as well as reviewers who support nearly everything). It is never pleasant to oppose a photo. As Cart notes, the photographer may get hurt or at least their ego knocked down a little. The opposer has to list the defects, whereas supporters can just leave a vote. And every review, done properly, requires examination (or familiarity with) existing FPs and existing images in the same category or style/subject. The reviewer has to consider if the image can be rescued by some change, or if it is hopeless. So, a proper review takes longer than it takes you to create your nomination, if you aren't doing such careful checks yourself. Multiply that by the several reviews needed before a withdrawal. I think that if the current rapid nominate-withdraw pattern continues at FP, we shall have to consider banning "withdraw" simply to slow down bad nominations/nominators and encourage good. Or some scheme where a withdraw is permitted but then you can't nominate again for 5 days. Perhaps some of this commentary belongs on the FP talk page or even along with the advice on nominating. -- Colin (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment - Do we really want to change rules that apply to everyone, if the problem is really mostly with one user? I could imagine another solution, and I think you all know what I'm thinking of. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Colin I agree that it takes courage to oppose. I did my first oppose only a few weeks ago. Before that, I simply didn't feel confident enough to oppose so I didn't vote on FPC that I didn't like. Now, when I've gathered some skills in photography and know how it works here, I feel confident to oppose. I really value regular opposes like you or Ikan Kekek. I mentioned before that people should be encouraged to oppose more - at the end, it's not a big deal. Considering the rules, I was thinking to cap the number of images a user can nominate in a month like 10 or so, but I agree with Ikan that we should wait what happens. I don't really like adding more rules :) --Podzemnik (talk)
  •  Comment Podzemnik, Colin, Ikan, Cart: Arion seems to have retired now on Commons according to his user page. – Lucas 17:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lucsa, thanks for the info. Per Wikipedia:Retiring most retirals are temporary and simply a break due to frustrations. ArionEstar's nomination success-rate has gone down recently, which many people have noticed. A break is probably a healthy thing to do, and he's welcome back when he wants to. -- Colin (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 1 support, 4 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /– Lucas 08:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This was formely FPX; I replaced with FPC-results-reviewed so the buggy FPCbot picks it up. – Lucas 08:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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