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File:Green turtles at Black Sand Beach.jpg

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Black Sand beach
Could you please be more specific. What does not work and why? Maybe it is fixable. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose agree with Citron. The photo is too obviously faked. And I think in the description it should get mentioned in detail, which parts are fake in this picture. I am not even sure if such a fake should get uploaded to commons at all. --AngMoKio (座谈) 21:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question I do not understand the comments about a photo montage. Are you saying that the presence of the turtles are fake and inserted? This does not at all look like that for me, but very real. I notice the retouched template mentioning manual cloning. Could you elaborate mila, on what has been cloned, please? Could you also add the specific date for the photo? --Slaunger (talk) 21:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • When you have a look at the previous version of the photo it gets more obvious. But also with a closer look at the current version, you can see that the smaller black lava stones which are around the left turtle don't actually belong there. --AngMoKio (座谈) 22:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing that was added to the image was the left turtle. Everything else is just a normal panorama. I added "retouched" template to the image. Is this a fake? Here's an original of the left turtle. Does black sand the turtle pours over herself belongs to those lava rocks? I did add the left turtle to the image because IMO the left turtle, who was pouring the sand over herself is an interesting subject, and I decided to add her to the image to show the whole picture of the beach and the turtles. Of course the images were taken on the same beach at the same time. The turtles were located 5 meters from each other.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
May I ask with which camera model you made the photo? --AngMoKio (座谈) 23:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The original image I added here and to the description of the nominated image has that info. I used my usual Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XTi, but how does this matter? May I please ask you, if you believe that black sand from the original image belongs there, but does not belongs to photo montage, and why?--Mbz1 (talk) 23:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The camera model matters as your camera has a 10mp sensor and your photo here has 16mp. So there is something else you changed manually here which isn't mentioned in the description. Furthermore I think it is just totally unnecessary to clone a originally none existing turtle in - that's just not what I expect of a photo that might end up in a wikipedia article. One more thing: By looking at those to versions of the pic 1 and this 2, I seriously doubt that the right turtle was on the original pic. --AngMoKio (座谈) 23:33, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying I am lying? The only other things that were done to the panorama was fixing stitching errors!!!--Mbz1 (talk) 23:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You know the question is why didn't you mention the cloning-in of the left turtle in the first place? You didn't even mention it after Citron mentioned his doubts about the pic. This all makes it a bit dubious. --AngMoKio (座谈) 23:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did mention the cloning. I added the template manual cloning as soon as I uploaded the image. I simply did not believe that it was such big of a deal. This left turtle together with the black sand could have easily been where I placed her. No beach, no rocks were changed, except fixing some stitching error maybe. But what in the world is dubious? Where that right turtle came from and why did I add to this image in your opinion? I do not know even why I am still talking to you after you said that I was lying. So, here I uploaded 4 of the originals I took that day at the beach. I took few sets and, I do not remember, if those ones were used for panorama, but it could be seen from them how panorama was made File:Hawaii-black sand beach 1.jpg;File:Black sand beach 2.jpg;File:Black sand beach3.jpg File:Black sand beach 4.jpg. And here are two more images File:Hawaii 2010 035.jpg and File:Black sand beach5.jpg, on which there is easier to see the whole image. Any more doubts? What in the world were you thinking, when you made your statement? That I photographed the turtles in aquarium or what? Now I added two more images, the last image of the first turtle (right one) and the first image of so called "non existing" turtle the left one. The first one was taken at 4 p.m., the other one was taken 4:01p.m. There are 15 other images between those two shots. I said the turtles were about 5 meters apart from each other, but now looking at the time the images were taken I doubt they was even 5 meters between those two. I have done nothing wrong by adding the left turtle to the image. Any article the image could have been used in, would have only benefited from the use of the image, but after you claimed I was lying I am not sure I want to upload any image to commons ever again --Mbz1 (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to get too much involved in a wikilawyering discussion whether you did anything wrong accrdong to policy here, but it shoud be pretty obvious to you, that inserting the left turtle is not a good thing(tm). I actually laughed out loud upon looking closely at this image. Cutting a turtle that was originally in the sand and pasting it onto rocks is a fairly ridiculous thing to do. It does not add value to the image, it spoils it. More turtle != more good. Sorry. --Dschwen (talk) 23:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not sure how many times I have to repeat that the turtle was not at the beach. She was at the rocks next to the ocean with some sand between the rocks.This very turtle with this very sand could have easily been at the place I put it. I am glad you laughed at the image, it is always a nice to laugh at something, and I am laughing at those comments too.I uploaded yet another image of the left turtle. I cropped out my relatives , who were sitting on the rocks!(not on the beach) next to her, but did not change anything else. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you mind uploading the whole of this picture? You can pixel your relatives, I just want to get a better understanding of the whole scene. --AngMoKio (座谈) 19:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 I really do not like when the reviewers claim something they have no idea about, and in process make personal attacks--Mbz1 (talk) 00:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You put a turtle (and the stones around it) in the picture, which didn't belong there and you didn't mention it. So doubting that other things might also not be as they seem is not so far fetched. To accuse me now of a personal attack is a bit ridiculous. --AngMoKio (座谈) 01:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Those "stones" as you call them, "black sand" as I call them are loose. They could go anywhere, on any lava rock of that beach exactly as a turtle could. I have done nothing wrong! To call the left turtle that was less than 5 meters apart from the right one "non existing" was ridiculous. Any article about Black Sand Beach would have only benefited from this image. What was beyond ridiculous it was your assumption that the other turtle was added to the image too, and even after I told you it was not, you continued to press with your doubts. Of course it is a personal attack D: D8 D; D= DX--Mbz1 (talk) 01:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes of course this black sand just appears at certain spots on the rock. But I won't continue this now...don't want to be next to get into an endless fight with you. --AngMoKio (座谈) 11:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How! Peace my friends! I would to felicitate Mbz1 for its beautiful photos, very interesting. But, indeed, this picture could lead to confusion without description. What does the left? turlte? I thought she was digging to lay its eggs, hence my surprise, as beside water! After, I saw the description on the original picture : Green turtle is throwing the black lava sand over herself to cool off. How. Why the turtle wants to refresh, as she heads towards the sea? It's so ambigous, Not natural. Best regards--Citron (talk) 12:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The turtle was not going back to the sea. She was basking next to the sea. They often do. One could see water next to the turtle in the original image too. It was the very first time I saw such behavior although I saw many turtles backing at Black Sand Beach .--Mbz1 (talk) 13:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Mbz1 and Citron. Of course, one shouldn't doubt the right turtle is real or fake just because the left is added. Author already mentioned that it is retouch and that he added left (in first comment) Soewinhan (talk) 19:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even read what Citron wrote?! I doubt that. I quote it for you again: "But, indeed, this picture could lead to confusion without description. What does the left? turlte? I thought she was digging to lay its eggs, hence my surprise, as beside water! After, I saw the description on the original picture : Green turtle is throwing the black lava sand over herself to cool off. How. Why the turtle wants to refresh, as she heads towards the sea? It's so ambigous, Not natural.". So in the end he said that the fake makes not really sense, and he is right about that. Bcs this scene is on the rocks and not on the beach with the black sand. And btw to assume good faith although she didn't mention the initial fake...well I don't know..she didnt mention that in her first comment. But I already start discussing here again, which I said I wouldn't... Mbz1, I also recommend to you to just stop the discussion. --AngMoKio (座谈) 20:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We must be cool like a turtle, my friends!--Citron (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But be careful not to do anything in cold blood. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 07:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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