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File:Close wing Basking of Athyma perius (Linnaeus, 1758) - Common Sergeant (4) WLB.jpg, featured
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 10 Sep 2024 at 04:37:29 (UTC)
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- Gallery: Commons:Featured pictures/Animals/Arthropods/Lepidoptera#Family : Nymphalidae (Brush-footed Butterflies)
- Info created by Anitava Roy - uploaded by Anitava Roy - nominated by Atudu -- Atudu (talk) 04:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- Atudu (talk) 04:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Ermell (talk) 06:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry man, but neither the composition nor the quality impress me. Wolverine XI 08:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- What's wrong about the quality? --A.Savin 10:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing, this is the best image I've ever seen. Like there's no image that will top this. I'm very much impressed with the image quality. Wolverine XI 17:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks for this extremely enlightening response. --A.Savin 09:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A.Savin: In case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm. I was aware that there was nothing exceptional about this picture, thus the revelation of the false background does not come as a huge surprise. Wolverine XI 13:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Quality ≠ wow. --A.Savin 18:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A.Savin: In case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm. I was aware that there was nothing exceptional about this picture, thus the revelation of the false background does not come as a huge surprise. Wolverine XI 13:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks for this extremely enlightening response. --A.Savin 09:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing, this is the best image I've ever seen. Like there's no image that will top this. I'm very much impressed with the image quality. Wolverine XI 17:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- What's wrong about the quality? --A.Savin 10:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support JukoFF (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Support.--Vulcan❯❯❯Sphere! 15:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Oppose Vulcan struck out his vote after reading others' observationVulcan❯❯❯Sphere! 01:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very nice composition, part of grass was helpfull - like golden spiral curve. Colors combine. --Mile (talk) 16:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Support-- Giles Laurent (talk) 16:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Struck vote until clarified -- Giles Laurent (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support new version -- Giles Laurent (talk) 15:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Struck vote until clarified -- Giles Laurent (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Llez (talk) 16:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Quality is fine, the delicate balanced composition is great, as said in the QIC page a good FP candidate. Poco a poco (talk) 16:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Support--Zzzs (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Strong opposeI thought its technical quality is good since it is a QI. Now that its been revealed to have been digitally manipulated to deceive viewers, this should definitely not be a featured picture. Maybe its QI should also be revoked. --Zzzs (talk) 22:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
SupportStunning! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Support-- Radomianin (talk) 19:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose in line with the ongoing discussion about undocumented manipulation. Support removed and opposition vote placed.-- Radomianin (talk) 05:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Outstanding composition. --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 01:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
SupportAgree. -- -donald- (talk) 07:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)OpposePer others. -- -donald- (talk) 06:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)- Support and back to pro. -- -donald- (talk) 09:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
SupportAgree with Mile -- Basile Morin (talk) 01:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
OpposeFake background? Undeclared -- Basile Morin (talk) 22:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The new version -- Basile Morin (talk) 14:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Support Striking composition--Tagooty (talk) 03:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose In view of the opinions of several experts and the absence of a response by the uploader/nominator, I have changed my support to oppose. --Tagooty (talk) 03:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 09:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Support --A.Savin 10:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Oppose per others --A.Savin 00:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support --XRay 💬 18:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Support Excellent quality, outstanding composition. – Aristeas (talk) 15:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Agree with the discussion below that the background apparently has been replaced. We could allow the cut-out, but in any case such a substantial edit must (i) be explained and (ii) done in the best possible way – right now there are some rough edges and (at the bottom) some strange pixels which may be remnants of the original background. – Aristeas (talk) 07:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Update: Ah, now we know the background has not been replaced (the strange pixels at the bottom and some rough corners have misled me). So I’m sorry if my comment above was harsh; but I keep the oppose vote for now because the editing is still a bit unfortunate and does not do justice to this great photo. Radomianin’s new version is much better (thank you), I would be happy to support it. – Aristeas (talk) 09:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Support --Famberhorst (talk) 12:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)- Question Is this a cut-out background @Anitava Roy and Atudu: and doesn't this camera have a maximum resolution of 5184 × 3456 pixels? Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
supportUpdating per discussion below. Not opposing, but holding off on supporting until we can get the facts straight. — Rhododendrites talk | 03:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC) Almost perfect enough to be skeptical, but the quality of the uploader's work looks consistent with regard to this kind of composition. — Rhododendrites talk | 14:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Have you zoomed right in and examined the edges Rhododendrites? Doesn't look right to me. Charlesjsharp (talk) 15:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm. The flat speckling makes it look like this might be some sort of backdrop/cardstock placed behind the insect? — Rhododendrites talk | 15:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- As the uploader/nominator have not replied, could some experienced eyes have a very close look please @Poco a poco, Basile Morin, Llez, Giles Laurent, Crisco 1492, Tagooty, Frank Schulenburg, and XRay: Charlesjsharp (talk) 15:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- It does look like a cut-out. There is a slight halo (a darker blue/green) on the bottom of the butterfly, and no noise on the background. Well spotted! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also, part of the wing is floating in green. Definite cut out. Struck my support - still great, but the cutout should be noted (and is a bit rough). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose This nomination should be withdrawn as it has misled voters.@Ermell, A.Savin, JukoFF, VulcanSphere, PetarM, Agnes Monkelbaan, Aristeas, Famberhorst, Rhododendrites, -donald-, and Zzzs: Charlesjsharp (talk) 20:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - @Charlesjsharp: , so you have asked the uploader to respond at 21:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC) and started rallying everyone at 15:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC) ans asked for withdrawal of nomination at 20:54, 5 September 2024, citing that they have not responded, which is less than 24 hours time for them. Isn't it too much to expect from volunteers from global south countries to respond then and there? I hope you understand that, people can have their own real life problems to deal with and not everyone might be in a super privileged position to respond in volunteer capacity on an emergency basis as and when asked. Personally, I don't have any issues if the FP nomination is rejected on technical grounds and if everyone changes the vote from support to reject but rallying and targeting without giving ample time to respond and not assuming good faith towards the editors, who have been contributing to Wikimedia sites in a significant way, can very well be demotivating to many people. Unlike you, I am not pinging anyone, who voted here, without any kind of expectation for them to change their votes or their minds, but I simply hope that everyone can at least assume good faith towards the uploader and provide him sufficient time to respond. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 08:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- dear,this is not a cut out background.i am ready to show raw file also.please inform me where to upload the raw file . Anitava Roy (talk) 12:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer. You can upload it on swisstransfer for example (or any other site, like wetransfer for example) and then share the download link with us -- Giles Laurent (talk) 15:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- As implied by Giles, Commons does not support the upload of raw files so you'll need to upload it elsewhere and link to it here. Two other options are Google Drive or Dropbox. — Rhododendrites talk | 15:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- dear,this is not a cut out background.i am ready to show raw file also.please inform me where to upload the raw file . Anitava Roy (talk) 12:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment currently i am offline, from PC, but can people put some note where are problems, maybe we can solve them, and pic is still very good. I think we had many artificial bacground by now, even size biger than camera can make. erasing nomination because of that... ?! Only stuff here is to put templetate photoedited - artificial background.Some tolerance with quick-triggered acts, author maybe not online each day. --Mile (talk) 10:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Nine years ago, I uploaded a manipulated image to Commons. The reasons don't matter; the fact is that I did wrong, and I will carry this guilt for the rest of my days here on Commons. Unfortunately, there is no turning back once we haven't been honest. The modifications that are obvious to me may not be to others, so it is always important to list all the manipulations made, not only in the upload history to see the changes, but also in the (retouch) template. I deeply regret that this situation happened, and I hope it doesn't happen again in the future. --Wilfredor (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose--Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)- CommentHello all, the uploader has sent me the raw file, which I have uploaded in this link for your refences https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/2cbe8615-f8ed-4ded-8f43-6db1f0189007. --Atudu (talk) 07:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Thanks Atudu. Now is clear what the issue is: background is genuine, just an unnecessarily overprocessed image and upscaled from 18 mpix to 20 for unknown reasons. That said, I would advice to redevelop and nominate again. --A.Savin 07:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- New version proposed Dear reviewers @Anitava Roy, Atudu, Wolverine XI, A.Savin, VulcanSphere, Giles Laurent, Zzzs, Crisco 1492, -donald-, Basile Morin, Tagooty, Agnes Monkelbaan, Aristeas, Famberhorst, Rhododendrites, Charlesjsharp, Wilfredor, Bodhisattwa, and Archaeodontosaurus: I took the liberty of redeveloping the file and making it available as a 16-bit Tiff under this SwissTransfer link. Feel free to upload it as an update, or even better as an alternative version if you like the result. The only strange thing I noticed is that the nominated version was interpolated after developing. Based on the new version and the cropping I noticed this indication. String interpolations should not be made. Sorry for the mass pinging of at least the active users in this discussion. Best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 09:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice job Radomianin, there's just a few dark green pixels left at the bottom (but less than this nomination) in 3-4 small areas -- Giles Laurent (talk) 09:54, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip, Giles. I'm not sure if I found the pixels you mentioned, but I have updated the SwissTransfer link with a new file. If there are still problems, please feel free to make a change. Many thanks and best regards :) -- Radomianin (talk) 10:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice job Radomianin, there's just a few dark green pixels left at the bottom (but less than this nomination) in 3-4 small areas -- Giles Laurent (talk) 09:54, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- New version proposed Dear reviewers @Anitava Roy, Atudu, Wolverine XI, A.Savin, VulcanSphere, Giles Laurent, Zzzs, Crisco 1492, -donald-, Basile Morin, Tagooty, Agnes Monkelbaan, Aristeas, Famberhorst, Rhododendrites, Charlesjsharp, Wilfredor, Bodhisattwa, and Archaeodontosaurus: I took the liberty of redeveloping the file and making it available as a 16-bit Tiff under this SwissTransfer link. Feel free to upload it as an update, or even better as an alternative version if you like the result. The only strange thing I noticed is that the nominated version was interpolated after developing. Based on the new version and the cropping I noticed this indication. String interpolations should not be made. Sorry for the mass pinging of at least the active users in this discussion. Best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 09:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is great. I waited if someone will put note, saw none yesterday night. Now i checked with original, picture was rotated and scalled-up (yes, up. Not down.) to 6×4 k, and a part was covered (left-bottom corner). I think our community screw up a big. Yesterday night i went with 200-300% to check mistakes, could find'em. Here you can see https://www.flickr.com/photos/mile_risto/53977382740/in/dateposted/ --Mile (talk) 10:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- The mistakes are that there's dark green pixels at the bottom of the butterfly that didn't benefit from the exposure + color change. There is also dark pixels at the bottom right of the picture, probably originating from upscaling or sharpening. The dark green pixels at the bottom of the butterfly led some people to think that the original background was cut-out and it turned out it's not true. I think people should have assumed good faith and let time to the author explain because for me there was three possibilities : 1) fake background; 2) mask that was not extended enough to apply color and exposure change (=what happened here); or 3) remains of chromatic aberration -- Giles Laurent (talk) 11:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Thanks Atudu. Now is clear what the issue is: background is genuine, just an unnecessarily overprocessed image and upscaled from 18 mpix to 20 for unknown reasons. That said, I would advice to redevelop and nominate again. --A.Savin 07:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I dare say we owe Anitava Roy an apology for calling this image a fake background, and thanks all for looking into it. I revert to my Support comment above. — Rhododendrites talk | 12:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Tangential discussion - boldly collapsing as this page is already confusing :) — Rhododendrites talk | 20:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- +1 as per Rhododendrites. I have removed my dissenting vote. -- Radomianin (talk) 13:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment New version by Randomian I would support, once uploaded as JPEG over the original. --A.Savin 13:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I cleared dots in 2 options, same size : 1, 2. Dots were part of original as i see, and some dots are left. Author can download and replace. @Giles Laurent dots arent mistake, just came biger with edits. --Mile (talk) 13:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The RAW file submitted indicates that the FPC was submitted with a heavily manipulated background. I never said it was a cut-out or fake background; I opposed the nomination as it had misled voters. Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- SwissTransfer link updated Dear reviewers @Anitava Roy, Atudu, A.Savin, Giles Laurent, Rhododendrites, Charlesjsharp, and PetarM: From the new tiff, developed from the raw, I have provided a jpg ready for upload under the updated SwissTransfer link above. Perhaps the nomination can be rescued with an update. I have now only pinged the most active discussants, as well as the author and nominator. Best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just be bold and upload it. --A.Savin 16:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your encouragement, A.Savin. Because of the different time zones, I would like to wait for the opinions of the involved discussants, especially the author and the nominator. Especially if the author is satisfied with my version, he is welcome to use it for an update. Personally, I also wouldn't like it if someone updates my photos without consent. Best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 16:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would not oppose Radomianin's edited version. Charlesjsharp (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Radomianin: Thank you for your support. As per your suggestion I have uploaded the version of the aforementioned image. --Atudu (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This nomination will be a good test of FPCbot's counting abilities. :) — Rhododendrites talk | 16:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Good, now author can choose any option to replace original and can put support vote too, (Anitava Roy). --Mile (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2024 (UTC) p.S. @Giles Laurent I removed CA on both options: 1, 2
- Support Ok now for me... you have friends! --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 16:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support El Golli Mohamed 20:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support --MZaplotnik(talk) 21:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Resolved Dear reviewers @Anitava Roy, Wolverine XI, A.Savin, VulcanSphere, Giles Laurent, Zzzs, Crisco 1492, Basile Morin, Tagooty, Agnes Monkelbaan, Aristeas, Famberhorst, Rhododendrites, Charlesjsharp, Wilfredor, and Bodhisattwa: , the user Atudu has uploaded the new version, developed from raw, as an update. With the request to re-evaluate the photo, I am pinging all active discussants one last time before the nomination ends in about 15 hours. There is now a real chance of rescuing this nomination. Thank you very much in advance, -- Radomianin (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have withdrawn my oppose vote, but still wonder about the wisdom of submitting a flipped image here @Anitava Roy and Atudu: . Doesn't the position of the butterfly's feet show that it was hanging upside down? Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- Radomianin (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Vulcan reinstated support.--Vulcan❯❯❯Sphere! 13:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 13:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support --A.Savin 14:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support again. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Famberhorst (talk) 16:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 17:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Zzzs (talk) 23:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you all for your valuable opinions. I suggest that if an image seems controversial or raises concerns, we should reach out to the photographer to request the original version before making any adverse comments. It's important not to pass judgment without understanding the full context, as negative feedback can hurt and demotivate photographers. By placing trust in each other’s work and approaching feedback with good faith, we can maintain a positive atmosphere and continue to move forward together.--Atudu (talk) 04:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 23 support, 4 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /-- Radomianin (talk) 05:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Arthropods/Lepidoptera#Family : Nymphalidae (Brush-footed Butterflies)