Commons:Deletion requests/Works by Joaquim Mir

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Add {{delete|reason=Fill in reason for deletion here!|subpage=Works by Joaquim Mir|year=2024|month=October|day=11}} to the description page of each file. Notify the uploader(s) with {{subst:idw||Works by Joaquim Mir|plural}} ~~~~ Add {{Commons:Deletion requests/Works by Joaquim Mir}} at the end of today's log.

Works by Joaquim Mir

Transfer to English Wikipedia

• File:Aguas de Moguda (Mir).jpg (1917)
• File:CasaTrinxet.jpg (1915-1920 - only the murals are by Mir, but additionally the photographer is unknown and probably published in Spain; Spain has no special rules for photographs)
  • I disagree with this deletion. This picture has nothing from Joaquim Mir but the category.
    • This is a picture of a house built by Josep Puig i Cadafalch for the uncle of Joaquim Mir. Mir made the inner decoration of the dining room and the chapel, there is no trace of that in this photograph! You can see the information about this house in Casa Trinxet. --Enfo (talk) 08:42, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
      • Clearly FOP for any work in the image. For the photograph, I'm not sure about the rules for a 95 years old image from an unknown photographer.--Pere prlpz (talk) 11:14, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
        • Per my comment above I was only concerned about the copyright of the photograph. However, {{Anonymous-EU}} might possibly apply here so I removed this one. Dcoetzee (talk) 04:02, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
          • Spanish law says that you should use the term specified in the copyright law of 1879 if the author died before 7 December 1987. The copyright law of 1879 does not list any separate term for anonymous works, which might mean that anonymous works also have a copyright term of life+80 years. It is entirely possible that the anonymous photographer of a photo from 1915-1920 might have died before 7 December 1987. It would be nice if we could have some clarification here regarding which copyright term to use. --Stefan4 (talk) 01:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
• File:Joaquim Mir - Aigües roges.JPG (circa 1921)
• File:Joaquim Mir - L'arbre gran.JPG (circa 1903)
• File:Joaquim Mir - Laderas de Montjüic.JPG (from 1896 until 1897)
• File:Joaquim Mir - Primavera.JPG (circa 1910)
• File:MIR2.jpg (this is an image of a 1903 mural at Casa Trinxet, which normally would be exempt under FoP-Spain, but the printing pattern, no EXIF, etc. point to this being a scan and not the uploader's own photograph)
  • If FOP applies here (debatable), the photograph is just a reproductions of a 2D work, and then free under PD-Art.--Pere prlpz (talk) 11:14, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
    • I believe FOP would apply if this were in fact the uploader's own photo of the mural - we have many photos of murals in Spain. But this appears to be scanned from a book or poster - the printing artifacts are clearly visible and there's no EXIF. I can nominate these separately if you'd prefer. Dcoetzee (talk) 04:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
      • There are two issues with this image and next ones:
        • Joaquim Mir's rights. I think these can be discussed here. FOP could be an issue.
        • The photographer's and the publishers'rights: since this is mechanical reproduction of a 2D work, I think it's clearly PD-Art. PD-Art says the photographer has no rights if underlying work it's free - no matter if it's free due to expired copyright, author-chosen license, or FOP. If somebody disagree, we could open an new request. Anyway, I think the most challenging issue is FOP and painter's rights, so I wouldn't open a new request until this one about Joaquim Mir's rights is closed.--Pere prlpz (talk) 10:40, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
          • Okay, that's an interesting argument. I'll ask about it at Commons:Village pump/Copyright and strike all images of murals from here. Dcoetzee (talk) 13:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
• File:MIR5.jpg (same as MIR2.jpg)
• File:MIR7.jpg (same as MIR2.jpg)
• File:Trinxet7.jpg (same as MIR2.jpg)
• File:MirTrinxet-BrullVinoyoles-1413.jpg (1898)
• File:Parc del Laberint d'Horta, Joaquim Mir i Trinxet, Museu de Belles Arts de València.JPG (same work as en:File:Joaquim Mir - The Labyrinth (Horta, Barcelona) - Google Art Project.jpg but has frame)

Transfer to Wikilivres

• File:Carrer dels Terrissaires.jpg (date unknown)
• File:Joaquim Mir - L'Hort dels Escolanets, Montserrat.JPG (circa 1931)
• File:Joaquim Mir Palma de Mallorca.jpg (date unknown)
• File:Joaquin Mir i Trinxet - Tarragona, España.jpg (unknown date)
• File:Joaquin Mir.jpg (unknown date)
• File:MirTrinxet-JosepCañas-1423.jpg (1936)

No need to transfer

• File:156 El gorg blau (Vitrall tríptic), de Joaquim Mir.jpg (orphaned and superseded by en:File:Joaquim Mir - Stained glass triptych- El Gorg Blau - Google Art Project.jpg)
• File:162 El gorg blau (Vitrall tríptic), de Joaquim Mir.jpg (orphaned and superseded by en:File:Joaquim Mir - Stained glass triptych- El Gorg Blau - Google Art Project.jpg)
• File:Joaquim Mir - Aigües roges.JPG (superseded by en:File:Joaquim Mir - Red Earth - Google Art Project.jpg)
• File:Joaquim Mir - L'arbre gran.JPG (superseded by en:File:Joaquim Mir - The Big Tree, Sa Calobra - Google Art Project.jpg)
• File:Joaquim Mir - Laderas de Montjüic.JPG (superseded by en:File:Joaquin Mir - Hillsides of Montjuïc - Google Art Project.jpg)
• File:Joaquim Mir - Primavera.JPG (superseded by en:File:Joaquim Mir - Spring - Google Art Project.jpg)

Spain has 80 pma for artists dead before 1987 (see en:Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights, Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory#Spain). Joaquim Mir died in 1940, and as far as I can tell lived and worked almost all of his life in Spain. Works dating before 1923 can be uploaded to English Wikipedia, and some already have been (see en:Category:Google Art Project works by Joaquim Mir). Other works can be uploaded to Wikilivres, as he has been dead for at least 50 years, making his work PD in Canada. Works can be undeleted in 2021. --Dcoetzee (talk) 00:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I uploaded file File:Aguas de Moguda (Mir).jpg. I didn't know that rule when I did it. Obviously, I have to agree with the deletion (and apologize for the inconvenience).--Outisnn (talk) 02:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

That's okay! Most people are not familiar with the 80 pma rule in Spain (since most of Europe is only 70 pma). Dcoetzee (talk) 02:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Most of the files are depicting copyrighted materials not covered by freedom of panorama policies appliable in the spanish legislation. I am agree on the generic proposal for deleting files made by this catalan painter, until it achieves the public domain. --Bestiasonica (talk) 00:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

 Delete Not public domain in Spain until 2021. Public Domain in countries with a copyright term of life plus 70 years. Cameta (talk) 20:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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Deleted: FASTILY ^(TALK) 06:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

• Transfer notes: Only works in Transfer to Wikilivres section above were transferred to Wikilivres.

Any files listed here that were deleted and which are in the public domain in New Zealand have been reuploaded under their original filenames at Wikilivres, a New Zealand wiki unaffiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation.