Commons:Deletion requests/The Russian Paratroopers Union uploads

From Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository
Jump to navigation Jump to search
This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
  • Add {{delete|reason=Fill in reason for deletion here!|subpage=The Russian Paratroopers Union uploads|year=2024|month=September|day=25}} to the description page of each file.
  • Notify the uploader(s) with {{subst:idw||The Russian Paratroopers Union uploads|plural}} ~~~~
  • Add {{Commons:Deletion requests/The Russian Paratroopers Union uploads}} at the end of today's log.

The Russian Paratroopers Union uploads

[edit]

These files were uploaded to The Russian Paratroopers’ Union (SDR) Official blog: sdrvdv2002.blogspot.com. User High Contrast has just put the deletion tag with the following rationale: "File washing - I strongly doubt that this blogspot.com-webiste is the copyright owner/creator or whatsoever of this photograph."

Well, I strongly doubt that too, and even more of that, I can tell you with all the confidence, that blogspot.com-webiste is not the owner/creator or whatsoever of these photographs. It's just a hosting platform for various private blogs and official blogs of different NGOs, such as the aforementioned SDR. Owner and creator of this material is the organization, which uploaded these files. And the Cc-by-3.0 tag (in English,) which states: "This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License" is clearly seen at the bottom of their web-site. – George Serdechny 12:56, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Thanks for clearing this - So it is a misuse of a Creative Commons license. You cannot just throw images from the web together on another website (without any permission) and publish them under free licensing (more infos can be found at Commons:License laundering). Owner and creator of this material is the organization, which uploaded these files - evidence for that? --High Contrast (talk) 13:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence for what? Sorry, I did not understand what do you mean, saying "without any permission?" The permission is right there. It's clearly visible, and it's written in English language. Try again. – George Serdechny 13:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


O.K. I'll try to transcode the meaning of the mysterious abbreviation sdrvdv2002, which confused you, and might confuse some other users: sdr stands for Soyuz desantnikov Rossii, which is Russian for The Russian Paratroopers’ Union; vdv stands for Vozdushno-desantniye voyska, which is the Airborne Troops; and 2002 is the year, this organization has been established. I hope my explanation is plain and simple. – George Serdechny 16:03, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

USSR Air Force / Airborne shoulder strap
USSR Air Force / Airborne shoulder strap
  • It looks to you like an official Russian Army photograph, because from Germany, the Soviet Army and the Russian Army looks the same. Back to the point. No it's not an official one. Colonel Yuryev, who is depicted on this photo, bears shoulder straps of the Soviet (not Russian) Airborne Troops, which is impossible for the contemporary Russian Army official photos. But this is absolutely common practice as for the Russian non-governmental veterans’ organizations, which, in their majority, accumulated mostly Soviet veterans, so called "Old School", like the Russian Paratroopers Union (or SDR VDV,) and Mr. Yuryev is currently the organization's Deputy Chief, so it's no wonder for me, that they posted his photo on the web, at the organiztaion's blog, so the fellow members could see their superior chief. Who took this one exactly? I presume, it's their press service, who produced all the site media (photos&videos,) not only this one. — George Serdechny 18:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So, to catch up the thoughts of the IP. Searching aroung a few minutes on the web gives some interesting results.

File: Col. Valery Yuryev.jpg

- this image appears here as well but in a higher resolution. More licensing information would be very important - from where does it sdrvdv from?

File: Col. Valery Ratkin.jpg
- this image appears here as well. Again, a more reliable site than sdrvdv2002.blogspot.com; no CC-by-3.0 info there

File: Col. Gen. Valery Vostrotin at the Red Square.jpg
- this image appears here as well - here with a different copyright claim

File: Lt. Gen. Vladimir Shamanov at the mobile command post.jpg
appears also here; Ria Novosti gives a different copyright information - the Russian ministry of Defence

All in all, I can assume that this CC-by-3.0 license info can only be taken for the texts provided on this site. There are obviously quite a lot copyright violations. As a consequence, we can think about to keep File:SDR emblem.jpg and File:Col. Gen. Vladislav Achalov and the Ryazan Airborne School cadet.jpeg because it seems to be a sdrvdv-work but we should delete the rest due to copyright violation or per precautionary principle. All in all, http://sdrvdv2002.blogspot.com is no good source - the copyright notice CC-by-3.0 is not used reliably.
@ Serdechny, here at deletion requests, we only talk about licensing problems. Talking about details of SDR VDV can be done elsewhere. --High Contrast (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, Contrast, I agree about the first one: Col. Valery Yuryev.jpg. If it was posted there originally, then, alas, maybe we've got to  Delete it. I said "maybe," because it appears at the Anti-corruption movement web-site in the memo, spread by the SDR VDV press service. That's for one.
    But all the rest, clearly are reproductions:
  • Col. Valery Ratkin.jpg This one, you called "more reliable," is clearly a cropped version of an original one, which is posted at "unreliable" sdrvdv2002.blogspot.com.  Keep
  • Col. Gen. Valery Vostrotin at the Red Square.jpg No copyright claims there, just "Archive" tag ("Архив"). Smaller version. Clearly a reproduction. Posted at the Human rights watch group web-site.  Keep
  • Lt. Gen. Vladimir Shamanov at the mobile command post.jpg Appears in extremely poor quality. But the claim is really dubious. If there's no mistake in RIAN copyright description, and it's true that this photo has been taken by the MoD, then we've got an OTRS-confirmed permission for this image (Cc-by-sa-3.0.)
    As you may say, All in all. — George Serdechny 08:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Kept 2 deleted rest FASTILY (TALK) 04:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/The_Russian_Paratroopers_Union_uploads&oldid=78526041"