Commons:Deletion requests/Template:See below
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There is no need in having a (localized) "see below" in the Permission field. Leyo 22:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed, after a bot replaces those usages. --Sebari (talk) 22:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, but why replaces? --Leyo 23:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Replaces by nothing. --Sebari (talk) 00:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Replacing something with nothing, blindly and unchecked, accross multiple uses. Also known as bot-operated vandalism. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 08:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Please give an example of where it would be. Otherwise, your comment may be interpreted as “blind” claim. --Leyo 14:31, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Unless it takes thousands of code lines and nearly qualifies as AI, a bot’s work is always blind. You, please, explain how you suggest to remove the current use with anything but the null string in cases it is warranted. You don’t think there is any case it is warranted? Well, then, metaphorical blindness. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 17:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- If {{See below}} is the sole content of the Permission field, there is no danger in having it removed by a bot. There are only [Permission+*%3D+*\{\{[Ssee+below\}\}.*\|%2F&fulltext=Search&ns6=1 very few uses outside of the Permission field]. --Leyo 22:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- If you are/were right, then all it has to be done is to have a bot going around replacing
permission = {{see below}}
(with all its case and blanks variations) withpermission =
(as it is actually happening), no need to delete the template as this could still be left alone for what you term «very few uses outside of the Permission field». Persisting in the deletion of this i18n template will only result in broken formatting and its eventual recreation. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 23:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- If you are/were right, then all it has to be done is to have a bot going around replacing
- If {{See below}} is the sole content of the Permission field, there is no danger in having it removed by a bot. There are only [Permission+*%3D+*\{\{[Ssee+below\}\}.*\|%2F&fulltext=Search&ns6=1 very few uses outside of the Permission field]. --Leyo 22:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Unless it takes thousands of code lines and nearly qualifies as AI, a bot’s work is always blind. You, please, explain how you suggest to remove the current use with anything but the null string in cases it is warranted. You don’t think there is any case it is warranted? Well, then, metaphorical blindness. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 17:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Please give an example of where it would be. Otherwise, your comment may be interpreted as “blind” claim. --Leyo 14:31, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Replacing something with nothing, blindly and unchecked, accross multiple uses. Also known as bot-operated vandalism. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 08:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Replaces by nothing. --Sebari (talk) 00:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, but why replaces? --Leyo 23:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, for, yes, there is such a need. And not only in the permission field, it can be used anywhere. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 08:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep There seems some reasons for usage of this, see: Commons:Localization/useful MediaWiki messages (also mentioned here Commons:File description page regular expressions). Until MediaWiki:wm-license-information-permission-see-below is not deleted, there is no reason to delete this. ↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?) 15:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Eh... I don't see the harm in keeping it; it has been used in countless image pages and I'd probably keep it for the historical value even if it is no longer used. I know a lot of people think it's useless, but it doesn't bother me that much. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Carl Lindberg, is this a keep-vote? (looks like it!); can you add a {{Vk}}, then, please? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 17:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- See my comment above. --Leyo 22:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Another problem i.e. keep reason: the "standard"-tool from Magnus Manske Commonshelper inserts actual an non localized text
See license section.
↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?) 12:44, 19 August 2015 (UTC)- Why would this be of importance here? BTW: There are only very few hits.
- Because it is the standard-tool for move to Commons and the string is clear lesser useful as this template here!? ↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?) 13:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Why would this be of importance here? BTW: There are only very few hits.
- PS: I can't say why there are so few hits, maybe this string get removed by the well known cleanup script from Magog the Ogre. ↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?) 13:30, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- The texts are different! --Leyo 15:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- PS: I can't say why there are so few hits, maybe this string get removed by the well known cleanup script from Magog the Ogre. ↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?) 13:30, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm going to say Keep. I think this DR is being used as a proxy for whether it is appropriate for use in the Permission field of the Information template; that is a separate topic than the existence of the template. The usages can be removed even if the template is kept -- the work involved would be identical, actually. I think the historical usage of this template probably means it should be kept around, even if just to not make a mess when looking at old versions of files in the history. I actually think "See License section" text (with a hyperlink to the section header) would be more useful than this tag, but there could still be some valid uses of this tag in some situations. But the massive historical usage to me (and keeping the translations around if good uses are found) is enough to keep the template even if not used much anymore. Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Kept: Obvious. De728631 (talk) 18:14, 14 September 2015 (UTC)