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Template:PRC-StandardMap

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Not a valid free license: the laws and regulations do not explicitly allow free use by anyone for any purpose. It does not meet Wikimedia Foundation's definition of free content license. Wcam (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: unused template. --JuTa 06:50, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PRC-StandardMap

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Unnecessary template: this template is essentially the same as {{PD-PRC-exempt}}. Images using this label are already tagged with {{PD-PRC-exempt}}. Wcam (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Opposition: This template has practical use and is not necessary to merge. Policies and guidelines do not restrict users from creating different types of new public domain copyright tags.
For example, there are HUNDREDS OF PD-US copyright tags on this website, there is no need to merge these templates into one, although they are based on similar federal laws. Creating new copyright tag is not "unnecessary".
After this revision, the template has been in line with all policies of the community on the public domain. Removed parts that may not meet free copyright requirements.Patlabor Ingram (talk) 12:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Please do remember that the Wikimedia Foundation servers are based in the United States. Therefore, the files that applied this Template must also be based on acceptable licenses on US soil. --Timmyboger (talk) 19:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just like in Template:PD-China, the uploader "must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States."--Timmyboger (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The content of this template belongs to laws, regulations or administrative documents. The legal documents of the Chinese government belong to the public domain in any country.Patlabor Ingram (talk) 16:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Patlabor Ingram: Due to this concern to {{PD-UA-exempt}}, I'm not sure how do you believe "belong to the public domain in any country". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to this template being unnecessary, the language of this copyright tag is problematic too. The language itself is pure speculation, as there is no evidence directly linking the maps described to their public domain status. Article 5 of the Copyright Law has no mention of any maps whatsoever, nor does the source of this file, for example, mention "public domain" anywhere at all (also even the file itself is not to be fount on the source page, which is a separate issue). On the other hand, US federal government agencies have public domain statements on their respective websites (e.g. [1][2][3]), which makes separate PD tags by agencies ok (i.e. statements on corresponding websites back the statements on the templates up). --Wcam (talk) 18:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As the text of law of the People's Republic of China is involved, in order to ensure the preciseness, the following is described in Chinese. Please understand.
由于涉及中华人民共和国法律原文，为保证严谨性，故以下使用中文叙述，敬请谅解。
Wcam所说中国国界线画法标准样图、世界各国国界线画法参考样图、行政区域界线标准画法图属公有领域为“猜测”，是完全错误的。
Wcam's views are wrong.
《地图管理条例》第十条规定，“在地图上绘制中华人民共和国国界、中国历史疆界、世界各国间边界、世界各国间历史疆界，应当遵守下列规定：（一）中华人民共和国国界，按照中国国界线画法标准样图绘制；……（三）世界各国间边界，按照世界各国国界线画法参考样图绘制；……中国国界线画法标准样图、世界各国国界线画法参考样图，由外交部和国务院测绘地理信息行政主管部门拟订，报国务院批准后公布。”
Regulation on Map Management (Order of the State Council No. 664) Article 10: “When the national boundaries of the People's Republic of China, the historical Chinese boundaries or the boundaries or historical boundaries of each country in the world are drawn on a map, the following provisions shall apply:(1) The national boundaries of the People's Republic of China shall be drawn according to the standard samples for the drawing of national boundaries of China.……(3) The boundaries of each country in the world shall be drawn according to the reference samples for the drawing of national boundaries between countries in the world.……The standard samples for the drawing of national boundaries of China and the reference samples for the drawing of national boundaries between countries in the world shall be drawn by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the surveying, mapping and geoinformation administrative department of the State Council, and be submitted to the State Council for approval before issuance.”
第十一条规定，“在地图上绘制我国县级以上行政区域界线或者范围，应当符合行政区域界线标准画法图、国务院批准公布的特别行政区行政区域图和国家其他有关规定。行政区域界线标准画法图由国务院民政部门和国务院测绘地理信息行政主管部门拟订，报国务院批准后公布。”
Article 11: “When the boundaries or scope of administrative regions at and above the country level in China are drawn on a map, the standard samples for the drawing of boundaries of administrative regions, the maps of special administrative regions issued with the approval of the State Council, and other relevant provisions of the state shall be observed.”
省以下行政区域界线标准画法图也同时属于省级事权，由各省级行政区地方性法规规定。例如，《北京市测绘条例》第四十一条规定：“编制本市各种地图的，必须符合下列要求：……（二）使用本市行政区域界线基础地理底图，作为基础底图；……”
因此，中国国界线画法标准样图、世界各国国界线画法参考样图、行政区域界线标准画法图是具有行政强制力的行政性质文件，无争议地属于公有领域。以上三种地图与公益性地图（“供无偿使用”）是完全不同的，前者有坚实充分的公有领域法律依据。
Therefore, the Standard Samples for the Drawing of National Boundaries of China, the Reference Samples for the Drawing of National Boundaries between Countries in the world and Standard Maps of Administrative Boundary are administrative documents with administrative force, which belongs to the public domain without dispute.Patlabor Ingram (talk) 06:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To Wcam: You have no objection to the National Boundary Standard Drawing Sample-Maps of China, National Boundary Reference Drawing Sample-Maps of Countries in the World or Standard Maps of Administrative Boundary being in the public domain in the previous discussion on Chinese Wikipedia.
I don't know what misunderstandings we have made you propose to 7 times speedy delete and 1 time delete about my uploaded pages in three days. If there are any problems, I think it is better to resolve them through discussion. I apologize for any offence.Patlabor Ingram (talk) 08:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Regulation on Map Management still does not directly say that the four types of maps are not protected by copyright. Again, you are trying to create a license tag essentially saying these four types of maps are PD, which is only your opinion and there is no such law or statement saying that directly, without deduction or inference. I have no objection that you can make such an argument, but it does not warrant a separate license tag and there is no reason why you cannot simply use {{PD-PRC-exempt}}. On the contrary, for example, {{PD-USGov-USGS}} says USGS works are PD, and there is an official statement backing it up, thus making the license tag valid. --Wcam (talk) 12:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I would like to thank Wcam for providing authoritative English translation website about Regulation on Map Management (Order of the State Council No. 664).
But Wcam's views are wrong. The Standard Samples for the Drawing of National Boundaries of China (SSDNB), the Reference Samples for the Drawing of National Boundaries between Countries in the world (RSDNB) and Standard Maps of Administrative Boundary (SMAB) are parts of the law of the people's Republic of China. For example, THE MAP OF HONG KONG SPECIAL ADMINISTRITIVE REGION OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA (Order of the State Council No. 221) belongs to one of the SMAB.
SSDNB, RSDNB and SMAB have the nature of decree and administrative compulsion, and is the law and regulation on local boundaries. According to Regulation on Map Management (Order of the State Council No. 664), the boundaries of all kinds of maps of the people's Republic of China must be indicated according to SSDNB, RSDNB and SMAB. In the People's Republic of China, it is illegal to draw a map without following SSDNB, RSDNB and SMAB. The laws, regulations and normative documents of PRC belong to the public domain without dispute.Patlabor Ingram (talk) 14:09, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Does the Regulation say explicitly that SSDNB, RSDNB and SMAB are in the public domain, like this one does? If not, Template:PRC-StandardMap should not exist and you have to use {{PD-PRC-exempt}}. --Wcam (talk) 14:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Regulation on Map Management (Order of the State Council No. 664) stipulate that SSDNB, RSDNB and SMAB are mandatory and binding normative documents. In the PRC, it is illegal to draw a map without following SSDNB, RSDNB and SMAB. Article 5 of the Copyright Law of the People's Republic of China stipulates that laws, regulations and normative documents belong to the public domain.Patlabor Ingram (talk) 14:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then it's a no. You are synthesizing information from different places to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Template:PRC-StandardMap does not represent an actual license and should be deleted. Use {{PD-PRC-exempt}} instead.--Wcam (talk) 12:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your view is wrong. SSDNB, RSDNB and SMAB are kinds of laws. In China, all laws belong to the public domain. Patlabor Ingram (talk) 03:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Only departments of State Council of China can do publishes of PRC maps, hence by publishing them, they are already public domain materials, that said, I see no reason why this PD tag isn't valid. Censorships of anything are fairly common around the Internet world, regareless that's about China and/or not. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:49, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: still in use, no consensus to delete. --JuTa 13:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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