Commons:Deletion requests/Template:PD-USGov-NARA

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Template:PD-USGov-NARA

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This template is similar Template:PD-LOC and must be deprecated. Images from NARA can be in PD, but not all of them. This is more source tag, than license tag. Alex Spade 11:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • So that's not a deletion request, but a request to change the wording, no? ~ trialsanderrors 20:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • First. Template must be deprecated or deleted, the problem is not in wording. Second. The main question is in that, should we delete images with this tag and without any other Commons-suitable license tag at one moment. I think, yes, Delete. Alex Spade 14:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Template, but Check all images against the NARA database before deleting them. Those images which the NARA database says are free of restrictions should be kept and re-tagged, not deleted indiscriminately. Andrew Levine 04:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes-yes. My previous phrase isn't fully correct. The NARA-image must be re-tagged in first, and in second those of theme which can't be re-tagged with another Commons-suitable license tag must be deleted. Alex Spade 04:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed that this template should be deprecated; it should be replaced with a combination of {{NARA-image}} and an accurate licensing tag on images that use it. I would expect that the large majority of the images are in fact PD though, so I don't think there should be a rush to delete images that use it. It will probably take a long time to go through all the images, but it would be good to deprecate so that more images do not use it from now on. Carl Lindberg 06:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • How should I re-tag eg Image:Margaret Truman at national convention.jpg.[1] This picture comes from trumanlibrary.org which is part of NARA. All pictures there which are restricted have a tag "Copyright Restricted Image".[2] Vints 11:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the template. Rather than check immédiately all images (might be difficult), a practical solution is to replace with PD-US-Gov tag plus some kind of sign or warning that the next person who uses the picture should control that the tag is correct by checking on the NARA's website. Most of the material there is PD and if not, the material will be specifically tagged there. Bradipus 11:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete A claim by any source except the copyright holder is not an indication for the actual copyright status. --Rtc 18:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • An accurate vote for deletion. We should avoid copyright paranoia: most of these images are PD indeed, so there's no need in hurry, let's check them with no time pressure. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 11:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This template may or may not be stupid. Forrester 20:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This template creates more problems than it helps. --ALE! ¿…? 22:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I have seen that in trumanlibrary.org, many images have "Restrictions:Undetermined", which means the copyright status in unknow, which means these pictures shouldn't be uploaded to Commons. Vints 07:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as it is a misleading copyright tag. --Tom (talk - email) 17:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep instead of deleting the tag, it should be just reworded to say it shouldn't be used for new images, like some of the other deprecated tags, maybe it could give a list of alternative US PD tags to use. In spite of what the nominator said, National Archives is very different than the Library of Congress, LoC collects material like other public libraries and so nothing is guaranteed to be PD, whereas the National Archives is mostly US government material or donated material with the exception of some 'seized collections' from WW2, which the admins here are pretty quick to delete so that is a moot issue. Madmax32 11:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think we should add a note saying that images uploaded after such-and-such a date using this tag will be speedy-deleted, sort of how en.wiki deals with no-source images. Without that, there's no particular closure on the use of it, and it'll keep getting used from now until doomsday. grendel|khan 20:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - deprecate it and reword it per madmax. --Evrik 09:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Strong keep. --Vineyard 19:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC) This is not a vote. Please submit arguments. --ALE! ¿…? 19:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have reworded the template, to indicate that this template should not be used anymore, and that it will be deleted once it has been orphaned. Images uploaded after 14:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC) can be considered to have no valid license. -- Bryan (talk to me) 14:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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