Commons:Deletion requests/Post-1923 works by Christian Rohlfs

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Post-1923 works by Christian Rohlfs

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Christian Rohlfs was a German painter who lived until 1938. As all his works were first published in Germany, they were in copyright on Germany's URAA date of January 1, 1996. Hence any works by Christian Rohlfs published 1923 or later had their US copyright restored by the URAA, which will last until 95 years after publication. A large number of his works have no known publication date and I couldn't find one, and lacking further information we have to conservatively assume they were published shortly before his death - but if anyone can find evidence they were published before 1923, they can be kept. All works can be transferred to Wikilivres after deletion. --Dcoetzee (talk) 01:23, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


No, not all, since you chose to be "conservative" (i. e. "deletionist"), we don't have to behave like vandals here. These files have never proven to be any problem, and it is only some hardcore deletionists that want them removed now. Let's wait and only remove them as soon as a problem really arises. The may be tagged accordingly to protect eventual US users (the rest of the world pretty much doesn't care about this stupid US law anyway). I regard these deletion requests as utter disrespect for my (and others) work of many, many years here. --FA2010 (talk) 13:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I assure you that I completely respect the work you have invested in these valuable uploads, which is why I am making a special effort to preserve them at Wikilivres. I have also uploaded many public domain works over many years and have had to delete many of them due to the URAA, so I know how you feel. While the rest of the world indeed does not and should not care about US law, the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects are based in the US and must comply with US law. Dcoetzee (talk) 22:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Dcoetzee! Great effort you did with your bot account (so as few as possible people see this DR through their watchlists)! Of course, speedy  Delete those nasty non-US public domain artworks. Oh, and, think of the children! --Saibo (Δ∇) 01:19, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I used my bot account because I was tagging a large number of files, obviously, not to avoid scrutiny. Bot edits are shown on the watchlist by default. If you prefer me to go back and re-tag them with my primary account I will. Also please keep a considerate tone and avoid sarcasm, as I am only enforcing policy. Dcoetzee (talk) 03:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Of course - yes, please use your primary account to re-tag (hopefully manually...). You may know that there are many bot edits and that our prefs offer an option to hide bots from your watchlist by default. Yes, please speedy enforce your policy. --Saibo (Δ∇) 12:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have retagged the files using my primary account (automatically - there is no reason to perform such a task manually). Regarding policy, I am referring to Wikimedia Commons policy, not my own. And Commons:Deletion_policy#General:_speedy_deletion does not allow the speedy deletion of this type of file, nor should it, as productive discussion is merited. Dcoetzee (talk) 01:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and btw, you are just repeating your Commons:Deletion_requests/All_files_copyrighted_in_the_US_under_the_URAA by mass tagging those non-US files. Don't you? What is the difference? --Saibo (Δ∇) 13:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC) Why do you want to discuss the same again? You may not like non-US artworks - others do. --Saibo (Δ∇)13:17, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not mischaracterize me. I am appreciative of works of art from every place in the world (I have myself uploaded thousands of non-US public domain artworks), and deeply resentful of the inane US laws that compel us to remove them. That's why I'm working so hard to preserve them at Wikilivres - I could use your help there if you're interested. This nomination is different from the previous one you cite, in that I have examined every file in this nomination carefully and established that it is copyrighted in the US (or that there is not enough information to show that it is in the public domain), and provided and organized the data above to make it easy for anyone to verify this. It also involves many fewer files, only 146, rather than over 2000. The same is true of the other URAA deletions you linked, many of which were opened by other people. Many of these requests have already been closed as delete. Dcoetzee (talk) 01:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not very happy about the URAA problem, but there's nothing that we can do but to  Delete the files unless it can be shown that some of them were published before 1923. It is very annoying that so many of the files have an unknown year of first publication. What worries me a lot more, though, are cases like this where a Swedish court found that a Norwegian website in Norwegian meant for Norwegians in Norway violated copyright in Sweden. If a US court would decide the same thing about files on US servers, this could mean that Commons either needs to respect the copyright law of every country in the world, or choose not to make certain files available in certain countries. --Stefan4 (talk) 00:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: As per Dcoetzee and Stefan4. Skeezix1000 (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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