Commons:Deletion requests/Palace of Soviets

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Palace of Soviets

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Boris Iofan died in 1976, Vladimir Gelfreikh died in 1967, both too late for PD-Russia-2008, PD-Ukraine or PD-Old. The Palace of Soviets was never built, no FOP. sугсго 07:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please, leave this media alive. It`s important to have this picture of totalitarian art. It`s not just sketch, but also draft of planned incredible building... See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Soviets Константин Халецкий (talk) 09:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is the wording on the {{PD-Russia-2008}} template states that the author must meet one of three conditions (mainly died before mid 1941). If any of these images is solely created by Vladimir Shchuko who died in 1939, then that image should be kept, if I have interpreted the template correctly. It would help if each image stated the authors. File:Bauskizze des Palastes der Sowjets.jpg does not say anything but has a {{PD-Ukraine}} template which is quite confusing to me. I will go through each image and add a creator tag if I can determine the author. 84user (talk) 03:34, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
84user: a late commentary that is necessary to explain the depth of the problem. In late 1930s Soviet architecture was already redesigned from its former small firm model to large "design bureaus", and PofS was one of the largest (if not the largest). The fact that the project was formally managed by Iofan, Schuko and Gelfreikh does not mean that only these three were involved. Scratch a bit deeper, there's a wealth of data on other professionals, with names and surnames, involved in design of the palace. Not to mention unnamed draftsmen etc. Literally following the ruling of COM:FOP or the template requires tracing all the named co-authors. After the crush on stalinist architecture in the 1950s design process was depersonalized to its logical end, when (usually) the design was signed up by managers of large state firms - typically, stamping works of others. Sometimes we know these others with reasonable certainty, sometimes we are completely in the dark. The old concept of architect as creative author just does not work anymore. NVO (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all or change the policy. NVO (talk) 16:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't see a problem with keeping this image. I found it interesting, and it added to the article. Zephyrad 05:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Support Keep. Really important images that have to stay. No one's moaning, so what. Anything else than keeping those would be unexcusable. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 12:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep this image. It added greatly to the article and was interesting to see. 71.234.112.32 15:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Authors died, so I don't see what's wrong with these images. Trang Oul (talk) 15:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's still alive an unresolved... oh well... and today's picture of the day (how nice to see Wikimedia hailing the Bolshevik Revolution Day :)) is just as "copyrighted" as the pictures of the Palace, yet it was duly featured and broadcasts the virtues of communism right from the main page. Has anyone heard of the concept of consistency here? NVO (talk) 17:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, for {{PD-Russia-2008}} the creator must have been died before December 31, 1942 and for {{PD-Ukraine}} before January 1, 1951. 1967 and 1976 is much after this. --The Evil IP address (talk) 19:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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