Commons:Deletion requests/Nonsense Portuguese and Union maps
Nonsense Portuguese and Union maps
[edit]Portuguese Empire maps:
- File:Portuguese Empire map.jpg (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
Delete The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)Keep Only available maps of the Portuguese Empire in the 15th/16th centuries and widely used. Need improvements, thought. The Ogre (talk) 13:08, 26 March 2010 (UTC)- Delete As per Trasamundo, below. The Ogre (talk) 11:46, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete It is a scaled down duplicate of Portugal Empire.jpg that this latter map can substitute Portuguese Empire map.jpg in the other wikipedias. Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- File:Portugal Empire.jpg (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
Delete The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)- Keep Only available maps of the Portuguese Empire in the 15th/16th centuries and used. Need improvements, thought. The Ogre (talk) 13:08, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The concept of Portuguese Empire in the 15th/16th centuries is good but this map must be renamed and corrected according to sources.Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- File:Portugal Empire.svg (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Delete And NOT used. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete It is a another scaled down duplicate of Portugal Empire.jpg Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- File:Portuguese Empire 1415-1999.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Delete Redundant copy of File:Portugal Império total.png with less detail. And NOT used. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep It is variant of Portugal Império total.png based simply in the actual possessions.Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The issue with the validity of these two maps and their associations have been dealt with. The two files are now identical and this one is not in use at all, as of 14 May 2010.
- Delete This map and the one mentioned by User:Trasamundo have some inaccuracies, and in that case fix the one which is being used and just get rid of this one. Neither are completely correct, and this is the one no seems to care about. Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Portuguese Empire (identified):
- File:Portuguese discoveries and explorations.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Delete And NOT used. Superseded by V2 versions. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed duplicate Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- File:Descobrimentos e explorações portugueses.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Delete And NOT used. Superseded by V2 versions. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed duplicate Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Keep No substitutes. Should be corrected. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Relevant Portuguese version map of explorations/discoveries and empire under King John III.--Uxbona (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Agreed. It should be corrected because if it is a map of explorations/discoveries then why do it try to depict possesions? Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Only delete the first and second in this group! Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- File:Portuguese discoveries and explorationsV2en.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Keep No substitutes. Should be corrected. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Relevant English version map of explorations/discoveries and empire under King John III.--Uxbona (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Agreed. It should be corrected because if it is a map of explorations/discoveries then why do it try to depict possesions? Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Only delete the first and second in this group! Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Iberian Union maps:
- File:Spain-Portugal-1600.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
Delete The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)- Keep Used in the German language wikipedia. The Ogre (talk) 13:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete It is a scaled down duplicate of Iberian Union Empires.png with poor quality, and this latter map can substitute Spain-Portugal-1600.png.Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Comment But... It is not a duplicated, although the two maps are similar, since there are important differences (see, for example, North America and the Horn of Africa)! The Ogre (talk) 11:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Redundancy of File:Iberian Union Empires.png with bright yellow on Spanish claims making hard to see against white. (I reverted this map on the German Wikipedia to the one I just mentioned now making it NOT IN USE. Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Keep We made several maps with a definitive design about Portuguese empire, according different reliable sources. It is not good to delete this map and put inside a map which lost several informations in different colours. The map File:Iberian Union Empires.png don't show several Portuguese territories and use and use blue instead of green for Portugal like on all other maps on German article. --Patrick (talk) 06:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- File:El imperio español II.PNG (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Delete Also as non used duplicate of File:Spanish Empire.png. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- File:Ruled Britannia.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Keep NOT a map of any real empire, but a map of the ficctional "Spanish Habsburg Empire" in the alternate 1597 of Harry Turtledove's novel Ruled Britannia. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- File:Imperio español.png (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Keep Although highly incorrect and wrong it is widely used in the Spanish, Catalan, and Galician languages wikipedias. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Comment In fact it is highly incorrect but it uses a depiction based including claims.Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep USED Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- File:Mapa combinado UI-RE.jpg (edit · last · history · watch · unwatch · global usage · logs · purge · w · search · links · DR · del · undel · Delinker log)
- Delete And NOT used. The Ogre (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed.Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete NONSENSE INDEED File:Iberian Union Empires.png will do. Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Reasons
[edit]These maps of the Portuguese Empire and the Spanish-Poruguese Union of the 16th and 17th centuries are all nonsense duplicates which should be deleted! Use recomended maps of this nature which have been checked for accuracy.
In the case of each situation use the following (NOT FOR DELETION):
- File:Portugal Império total.png in place of section 1
- File:The Portuguese Empire.png in place of section 2
- File:Iberian Union Empires.png in place of all in section 3
Please understand the reasons for this mass deletion request and follow the advice above. For some pages it is morte appropriated to have an 'identified' map such as File:The Portuguese Empire.png while others require a non-identified version such as File:Portugal Império total.png! Maps & Lucy (talk) 01:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]We are heavily using this map: File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png in Wiki-pt, and have no replacement for it. Why do you say it is nonsense?-- Darwin Ahoy! 15:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep This map: File:The Portuguese Empire.png has errors, such as saying that Madeira was "discovered" in 1419, something that has been widely discredited for decades, while this one: File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png seems to be more accurate. Why should we replace that map with a worst version? And why should we replace a map with the names in Portuguese with an English version, specially when teh subject is our own Empire?-- Darwin Ahoy! 15:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Ok to some of the delections but in section 2, I agree with Darwin. In my opinion both the File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png (which is a relevant Portuguese version and useful to see the evolution of the empire along the discoveries/explorations) and the File:The Portuguese Empire.png, which is considered incomplete, but illustrates the main fortresses/basis supporting the empire - both these files should be kept.--Uxbona (talk) 22:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)(corrected 2nd map link , this is the one I intend to keep)
I propose that votes should be made individually on each map. The Ogre (talk) 16:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The files File:The Portuguese Empire.png and File:Iberian Union Empires.png are NOT proposed for deletion. If File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png is used and there are no substitutes is must NOT be deleted. It should be corrected, however. The Ogre (talk) 16:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please inform exactly what should be corrected The Ogre, so that I (or other) can proceed to correct it. It was developed over king João III empire map, with data from referenced chronologies (Diffie, etc), and although many dates are subject to uncertainties, tried to reach a good compromise (I should include Tristan da Cunha island in pt version). As it was marked for delection as nonsense, and a correction demanded from you, it would be of great help to locate the errors. Thanks.--Uxbona (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- As I wrote before the map should be corrected because it shows possessions when the map supposedly depict discoveries. In case of depicting possesions must be corrected according to sources as this one [1] By 1600, when the Portuguese Empire (apart from Brazil) remained no more than a string of forts and islands running from West Africa to Macau or this one [2] A contrast is commonly made between an empire of settlement in the Atlantic - the islands and Brazil - and an empire of trade in the Indian Ocean and the Far East. Indeed the Estado da India has even been represented as being in essence little more than a network of trade routes. So it may be appropiate to recall the exent of Portugal's territorial empire in the East and how the Portuguese envisaged its expansion and development. Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please inform exactly what should be corrected The Ogre, so that I (or other) can proceed to correct it. It was developed over king João III empire map, with data from referenced chronologies (Diffie, etc), and although many dates are subject to uncertainties, tried to reach a good compromise (I should include Tristan da Cunha island in pt version). As it was marked for delection as nonsense, and a correction demanded from you, it would be of great help to locate the errors. Thanks.--Uxbona (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- Trasamundo, it was intended to depict explorations/discoveries along with possessions (during João III de Portugal's reign, circa 1536/43): both are related, the former being the consequence of first. If the map File:Portugal 1521-1557.gif is correct - and it is widely used - I assume that you do not refer to Brazilian possessions (captaincies established in 1535-36, with limit in Tordesillas line) but to the green stripes along African coasts. If those are represented thiner, like in imperio total map, would that be acceptable to you? Is the imperio total map with its thin, almost imperceptible, coastal lines the model? (this map loses in efficacy and clarity while committing so much to exactitude, but that's my opinion). Thanks.--Uxbona (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- Response here or here Trasamundo (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you Trasamundo, I updated both maps, still those can be questionable by you: left explanation/arguing to your exposition in both maps' discussion page.--Uxbona (talk) 12:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- Response here or here Trasamundo (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. Most of these maps are in use (some quite heavily), and it's not our role to determine their correctness or accuracy (see COM:NPOV). This discussion belongs on the projects which actually use these maps, not here. –Tryphon☂ 16:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep per Tryphon. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:20, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- 'Delete'/ Keep as seen above! Some of these SHOULD be deleted and others SHOULD NOT be deleted. It is quite clear from the discussions above that while some are used and should be kept and others, as the nomiator said, are mere nonsense duplicates and should be perminantly removed! Vadac (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Which map is used, should be discussed in the different articles. There are several reasons, why some maps are looking different. Changing File:Spain-Portugal-1600.png in German articles like done last night, caused several mistakes in description, for example. --Patrick (talk) 06:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)--Patrick (talk) 06:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Find it helpful to understand the reach of the Empire, however not as the only resource of course. Different graphic styles and content included help reveal a broader comprehension + understanding. Please keep this one in the map choices.---72.67.215.48 01:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Deleted the files that were not in use and kept the ones that were still in use per discussion above. Maps & Lucy (talk) 00:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)