Commons:Deletion requests/Lenin Mausoleum
Lenin Mausoleum
[edit]- Mausoleum of Vladimir Lenin in Moscow (en:Lenin's Mausoleum)
These are images of architecturial works of en:Alexey Shchusev, who died in 1949. There is no FOP in Russia ([1]), and Russian law is applied retroactively to Soviet works ([2]). Should be category "Undelete in 2020". --Fernrohr (talk) 15:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not in 2020, but in 2024 -- Russia has 4-year copyright extension for those who worked during the Great Patriotic War. Of course this law can be changed in the future. Trycatch (talk) 16:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- I wonder a little at why only one of the fourteen photographs is marked for deletion, plus which the seven stamps are under suspicion as well, unless someone can produce documentation that Schchusev signed over his rights as part of the stamp production process. Stan Shebs (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- I have nominated the other images previously. --Fernrohr (talk) 17:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- I wonder a little at why only one of the fourteen photographs is marked for deletion, plus which the seven stamps are under suspicion as well, unless someone can produce documentation that Schchusev signed over his rights as part of the stamp production process. Stan Shebs (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep. As NVO wrote on Fernrohr's talk page: A policy is in place but there's no commitment. None. [...] practically anything built in the Union fails COM:FOP in this or that way. It's a five-digit mass of photos. Current "consensus" is to disregard COM:FOP in this case: no one really cares about legalese crap fabricated in Russia or North Korea. [...] Can this simple statement lead to a summary deletion of all photography in the Union-related categories? (accentuation by me) - yes, it can, if you go ahead deleting stuff like this, resulting in Wikimedia Commons becoming virtually useless for illustrating articles about Russia and/or or the Soviet Union (which occupied 1/6 of the Earth's land area). Change this policy right now because of common sense and the nullo actore, nullus iudex principle, and stop deletions at least until this point is clarified! And BTW, we do not need administrators implementing "commons policies" acting like robots not considering any issues around, like the mentioned above... --SibFreak (talk) 07:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep. We must preserve this photos despite what the law says, Think about the children for god-sake? Preserve these photos, don't let some dumb law stop us. Our kids need to be able to view these photos.
- I consider the argument "deletion is inconvenient and nobody will sue WMF based on this legalese crap, so let's ignore it" particularly inadequate. Nothing needs to be clarified, it is all pretty clear. Dura lex, sed lex, since you like Latin. --Fernrohr (talk) 08:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Delete We're not here to things "despite what the law says". Sadly it's pretty clear this has to go. Undeletion in 2020(24?). Hekerui (talk) 20:35, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
- I hope much more soon. It's possible that the law will be amended in early 2012, see Commons talk:Freedom of panorama#Possible FOP in Russia in the near future. Trycatch (talk) 20:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Keep This is insanity, anybody remember the Ministry of Truth in "1984", erasing history? 72.208.97.129 04:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Deleted, no freedom of panorama in Russia. Kameraad Pjotr 20:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)