Commons:Deletion requests/Images of Fcb981

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Images of User:Fcb981

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Commons:Licensing#Acceptable licenses explicitly states that:

Commercial use of the work must be allowed

The user's attribution requirements (User:Fcb981/attribution) says:

Because required attribution is the only way that I can prevent commercial use of my photos I require strict attribution procedures, fail to meet them and you are breaching copyright law.

This user's intentions is to make attribution requirements ("The text of the attribution must be of an area at least 50% that of the reproduction size") so insanely large that no one would ever use his image anywhere but on WMF projects (all of his attribution rules are waived for the WMF). So, technically, commercial use is not restricted but his attribution requirements effectively do restrict any and all commercial use. His intentions are clearly in disagreement with the spirit of commons "freeness" requirements. Waiving these attribution requirements for the WMF effectively limits use to wikimedia, which is also against commons policy.

Furthermore, as pointed out in Commons:Village pump#Are we allowed to do this?? the actual legalese of the CC-BY-2.5 license says that attribution must be "reasonable to the medium" and that the "Licensor shall not be bound by any additional provisions that may appear in any communication from You." Taking up 50% of the photo for attribution is not reasonable. Appending strict provisions to the license is also not allowed.

In short, his attribution requirements void the spirit of commons licensing "freeness" and contradicts the license itself. Cburnett 06:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination withdrawn per license change that nullifies the nomination. Cburnett 23:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Info: We should probably get the user's opinion on this; if he understand that he can either license the pictures for use without the sort of restrictions he wants to add, or not to license them at all, he may choose to license them under a Share-Alike license to avoid commercial exploitation rather than take his marbles and go home. (The '-NC licenses considered harmful' essay might be of interest here.) grendel|khan 17:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The licenses are supposed to be compatible with the GNU regardless of which 'free' license they are Madmax32 18:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, unless the user would be willing to amend his policies. --Tom (talk - email) 18:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • As the nominator, I would hastily rescind my nomination if the user put the images under a reasonable license that jives with policy. If not, then it's his choice to not "play by the rules" and his only recourse is to "take his marbles and go home". Regardless, the outcome is his choice. Cburnett 19:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi everyone, I'd like to prevent the deletion of my pictures, I would also like to prevent the unrestricted commercial use, if the latter is impossible, I will allow the pictures that I think have commercial value to be deleted and upload new files of much lower resolution. If retaining some of my commercial rights is possible under another liscense (I was under the impression that it isn't) then I will gladly relicense. If share-alikes prevent commercial use then I'd be glad to use them. I will do a bit more research tonight and hopefuly come to a decision by tomarow. In any event, this has got to be the golden age for someone wanting stock photos. what used to cost money is now being offered for free. The only losers... me, and photographers like me, who want to donate a bit of knowlage to anyone who needs it. It turns out, the donation is a bit more than a few photos: it is any and all of the compensation that any of us photographers could have hoped to have gotten for any stock photos into the future. -Fcb981 02:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't really want to give advice that is detrimental to commons, but you might like this The GFDL is not practical for images and short texts, especially for printed media, because it demands that the full text of the license be published they along with Commons:Licensing#Acceptable licenses, so I guess licensing images under the GFDL only could make commercial use less likely depending on the way it's used Madmax32 14:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fcb981, the only way to definitely stop commercial use is to use a license with a NC condition. But using a license with a sharealike requirement (GFDL, CC-BY-SA) is generally considered to discourage commercial use, especially if you think about e.g. an advertisement. An ad that uses an image would be a derivative work of the image, usually, so it has to have the same copyleft license. The thinking goes along the lines that commercial companies wouldn't be willing to do this, especially because they couldn't put their copyrighted logo on the poster.
You are allowed to use a non-free license as long as dual-license with a free license. So you may for example dual-license GFDL with CC-BY-SA-NC. If people use the GFDL, they have to have a copy of the entire license text next to the image. This is usually too prohibitive for print, especially for a single image. Then you still have the CC-BY-SA-NC option for others. (If you do this, you can't use a template for the non-free license - you have to just manually write in a line about the license.)
Another thought it that you may simply want to upload your work to Flickr under a NC license. Then it is available to 'anyone who needs it'. Not everyone has the same goals as Wikimedia, and that's OK. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 16:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move to close I have re-licensed all of the photos under GDFL, no crazy terms added. Thanks for being understanding of my position while still in disagreement. This is how wiki should work. If there are any questions. responding here is fine. -Fcb981 05:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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