Commons:Deletion requests/Images of Dawoodkarim

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Images of Dawoodkarim

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I believe that User:Dawoodkarim's uploads are all suspect copyvios since I doubt it's the uploaders own work, Waleed Ehsanul Karim served in the Pakistan Air Force during 1961 - 1965 (I'll doubt that any images from the era would be in the public domain) and the dates are clearly wrong. Bidgee (talk) 11:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also I'm unsure if there is Freedom of Panorama in Pakistan as it's not listed in COM:FOP so FOP needs to be addressed as well. Bidgee (talk) 11:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: But what if all these are from the uploader's family album? I can't say for sure, but Dawoodkarim seems to be related to both Waleed Karim and F. Karim, as he has the personal photos in possession. Wouldn't he be able to release the personal photos from his album into PD? --Ragib (talk) 13:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: All of these photos are from my family album and as we as an old family kept these photos (including negatives) in our possession since. The date that I have mentioned are not wrong as these dates are the dates of scanning not from original photos. I do have many other photos of Flt. Lt. Matiur Rahman also. And no one else have the copies of these since these are about 45 years old. I own the rights to the photos, these are from my album, and that I donate them to Wikipedia under GFDL (or release in Public domain)

Thanks Please dont delete this precious page as it honours a soldier. --Dawoodkarim (talk) 19:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any update on this? I have communicated with the uploader (Dawoodkarim), and from all the information he provided, I am reasonably satisfied that these photos are from his personal album (He is related to the subject of the photos). So, I think we can close this deletion request as keep. I had requested the nominator to look into these new comments from Dawood, however, the nominator has not responded in almost 1 month. --Ragib (talk) 10:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KeepIt is from his personal album.Yousaf465 (talk)

Keep There is no reason to believe that these images are copyright violations. --Incidious (talk) 08:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It has been 2 months since the image was nominated, and the uploader has publicly stated here that this is from his family album. Since the uploader Dawood Karim is apparently a family member of Waleed Karim, I have no reason not to accept his statement. So, why is this photo still being considered for deletion? --Ragib (talk) 05:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Not sure that being in a family album give the owner the rights to the images, some of them appear to be official images and images taken by others the sort that servicemen collect during their career, certainly File:P O Waleed E Karim with other pilots 2.jpg appear to be an official image. No evidence who took the photographs and who were the original copyright holder. Having possession of a picture does not give you any rights to publish. MilborneOne (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, I don't know what does one mean by official. Official in the sense that the image's copyright is owned by the Indian Air Force? If the image was taken by a serviceman for his personal collection, then the Indian Air Force does not own its copyright. Also, if the concerned images were passed over to the uploader by the person who took the snaps, then the concerned uploader has the rights to publish them. This entire issue being raised over here depicts nothing else but some people's excessive and unwanted obsession over images' copyrights. --Deepak (talk) 04:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, although I'm sure that the images are from a personal album; ownership of an work of art has nothing to do with copyright. The photographs of mr. Waleed Ehsanul Karim cannot be taken by himself, which means that the uploader unfortunately cannot release them in the public domain. Kameraad Pjotr 16:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I am an Amateur photographer by myself, I do know the rules of copy right of a photograph. Please note that I have all of the negatives of these photos preserved with me; I have also preserved the AGFA camera owened by Waleed. He was my uncle and I am the rightful owner of all of his properties. As he was unmarried when he died, The Pakistan Air Force Authority had handed over all of his belongings (including these photos and negatives) to my father. Its true that waleed could not taken these photos by himself, but I have series of photos where he was absend and instead some other person was there which also proves that Waleed took the photos. I have also some official photos which were even more interesting, but I did not publish them. It is also same for Capt Advocate Fazlul Karim (He was my Grand Father). Further all of these photos are almost 45 years old, And Fazlul Karim's photos are more than 50 years old. Which also means nobody needs the permission to publish them! So, please undel the photos at the earliest. You could have asked me bofer deleting them. Thanks in advance.

I have forwarded Mr. Dawood Karim's correspondence with me, to OTRS. Mr. Dawood Karim is the owner of the rights to these photos -- the rights have been passed onto him along with the estate of Waleed Karim. Also, as Mr. Karim explained above, all the photos had been taken with Waleed Karim's Agfa camera, and Mr. Dawood Karim has the negatives as well as the camera (part of Mr. W. Karim's estate).

According to my interpretation of the copyright act of Bangladesh and erstwhile East Pakistan, if the owner of a camera asks another person to take his photo, the rights do not belong to the person taking the photo. Correct me if I am wrong ... but this is probably true of copyright laws of any country. So, even though Waleed Karim appears on a photo, that doesn't mean someone else owns the rights to the photos. While on vacation, I have asked plenty of strangers to take a photo of my with my camera, that doesn't give them the ownership of the photo. So, the argument that if someone is in a photo, he can't hold the rights to it, as argued above, is not correct.

Anyway,I have forwarded everything to OTRS, and hope the photos (new versions I uploaded) will be OTRS tagged soon. I hope this will satisfy everyone. --Ragib (talk) 06:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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