Commons:Deletion requests/Images from ssu.gov.ua

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  • Add {{delete|reason=Fill in reason for deletion here!|subpage=Images from ssu.gov.ua|year=2024|month=November|day=24}} to the description page of each file.
  • Notify the uploader(s) with {{subst:idw||Images from ssu.gov.ua|plural}} ~~~~
  • Add {{Commons:Deletion requests/Images from ssu.gov.ua}} at the end of today's log.
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Images from ssu.gov.ua

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Invalid license. Probably a non-free images. Erroneous use of the "ssu.gov.ua"-license. License (ssu.gov.ua) applies only to materials posted on the web-site ssu.gov.ua, not on their social media. Needed link where this fotos published at ssu.gov.ua. --Kursant504 (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*  Oppose against deleting the file File:Kupiansk civilian convoy shelling.jpg : this file was indeed distributed by the security service of Ukraine, in particular to the agency en:Reuters, the French newspaper en:Le Monde credits it as coming from the security service of Ukraine. (https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2022/10/01/au-moins-vingt-civils-ukrainiens-tues-pres-de-koupiansk-selon-le-gouverneur-regional_6144002_3210.html)
*  Support for deleting the file File:Oleksandr Kobets.jpg The image is of such poor quality that it is impossible to identify the person depicted.
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:Russian military vehicles marked with the V symbol bombed by Ukrainian troops.jpg the website en:Business Insider credits it as coming from the security service of Ukraine, as evidenced by the official coat of arms of the security service of Ukraine affixed to the photo. (https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-attack-russian-vehicles-kyiv-telegram-tip-2022-3?r=US&IR=T)
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:SBU searches of UPTs MP in December 2022 01.jpg this media was indeed distributed by the security service of Ukraine, in particular on its official Facebook account. (https://www.facebook.com/SecurSerUkraine/posts/503803328513249?ref=embed_post)
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:SBU searches of UPTs MP in December 2022 02.jpg The Ukrainian website suspilne.media published by "Public Broadcasting" (registration ID R40-01992) is owned by the Ukrainian state and credits this photo as taken by the SBU. This photo is clearly part of the same series as the previous one, and as it has the official coat of arms of the Ukrainian security service as a watermark. https://suspilne.media/330528-sbu-zaversili-perevirki-u-hramah-upc-mp-u-zakarpatskij-rivnenskij-ta-zitomirskij-oblastah/
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:SBU searches of UPTs MP in December 2022 03.jpg this media belongs to the security service of Ukraine and is still online on their site https://ssu.gov.ua/uploads/galleries/2022/12/05/a3784ae301367e29680c9ee0806e7c0a.jpeg
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:SBU searches of UPTs MP in December 2022 04.jpg this media belongs to the security service of Ukraine and is still online on their site https://ssu.gov.ua/uploads/galleries/2022/12/05/287bb2cda62fff037699f8a718973101.jpeg
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:SBU searches of UPTs MP in December 2022 05.jpg this media belongs to the security service of Ukraine and is still online on their site https://ssu.gov.ua/uploads/galleries/2022/12/07/1c5b31db08e6ed81ee439d399dfead98.jpeg
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:SBU searches of UPTs MP in December 2022 06.jpg this media belongs to the security service of Ukraine and is still online on their site https://ssu.gov.ua/uploads/galleries/2022/12/07/41aba02d39abb23fdf950991dd5297d2.jpeg
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:SBU searches of UPTs MP in December 2022 07.jpg this media belongs to the security service of Ukraine and is still online on their site https://ssu.gov.ua/uploads/galleries/2022/12/07/23ee06f91fa52f3c1de2c3ce5f1e11b9.jpeg
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:UA SSU "Alpha" in liberated Kupiansk 01.jpg this file was indeed distributed by the security service of Ukraine, in particular to the agency en:Reuters, the French newspaper fr:Le Parisien credits it as coming from the security service of Ukraine.
* File:UA SSU "Alpha" in liberated Kupiansk 02.jpg je n'ai pas trouvé la source de cette image, mais les traces verticales sur le cliché prouve qu'elle a été prise par le même apareil que la précedente, et l'aposition du blason officiel du service de sécurité de l'Ukraine la place dans le domaine public ukrainien.
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:UA SSU operator (1).jpg this media belongs to the security service of Ukraine and is still online on their site https://ssu.gov.ua/novyny/sbu-zatrymala-rosiianyna-yakyi-rozviduvav-pozytsii-artylerii-zsu-na-skhodi-ukrainy
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:UA SSU operator DT SRS (1).jpg this file was distributed by the security service of Ukraine on its official Facebook account, the official Facebook account, like the SBU website only distributes media from the declassified military background of Ukraine. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=359828662910717&set=pb.100066507582416.-2207520000..&type=3
*  Oppose against deleting the file File:Viktor Medvedchuk (12-04-2022) 2.png : this file was indeed distributed by the security service of Ukraine, in particular to the agence France presse, French national newspapers fr:L'Express, fr:La Provence, fr:Ouest-France credit it as broadcast by the security service of Ukraine via the fr:Agence France Presse, these four press outlets are renowned for the accuracy of their information

Furthermore, I suspect an action by Russian propagandists in connection with the war in Ukraine to use Wikipedia’s rules to the letter to eliminate anything that could hinder their disinformation campaign, especially poorly uploaded Ukrainian public domain media. I am for applying the rules (I am often described as psychorigid), but I am not for overzealousness in favor of one side or the other, as this contradicts Wikipedia’s rule of neutrality.

far too many Ukrainian public domain files are proposed for deletion for a poorly written license for my taste
Wikipedia is the world's main source of information and as such is the target of Russian propagandists who are happy to turn its own rules against Wikipedia.

Perhaps we should also better explain to non-English speakers how to write the license for a public domain image used on a private site, which does not place it under copyright.
Christian28TMA (talk) 15:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Perhaps we should also better explain to non-English speakers how to write the license for a public domain image used on a private site, which does not place it under copyright." - if you know that any of this resources (except ssu.gov.ua) - stated somewhere that it allow the free commercial use of their photos - you can show it. Based on this, new license templates can be developed. Kursant504 (talk) 05:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Le Monde, Business Insider, suspilne.media and agence France presse - have a copyright tags (or state that only NC use is available) on their web-sites. And I didn't found statement about free license that will be OK for Commons. Kursant504 (talk) 05:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that those 6 files that you had found on "ssu.gov.ua" should not be deleted. Kursant504 (talk) 05:29, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"I suspect an action by Russian propagandists in connection with the war in Ukraine" oh, again... If you respect copyright of sitizens of Ukraine = you are Russian propagandist... Kursant504 (talk) 05:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
hello @Kursant504
If en:Le Monde, en:Business Insider, suspilne.media, fr:Le Parisien, fr:L'Express, fr:La Provence and fr:Agence France Presse credit these media as coming from the SBU, it means that they are SBU media, and therefore, they should not be deleted as coming from another source.
It would be surprising if these newspapers wrote under the photos they distribute that these media come from the SBU and that this is not true: so there are not just 6 media from the SBU but indeed 13 (and probably 14).
If a newspaper uses a public domain media, it does not grant them copyright (even if they claimed it, which is not the case here).
Regarding Russian propagandists, getting SBU media from the Ukrainian public domain deleted and applying Wikipedia rules with excessive zeal is entirely in their manner, and here, of the 15 files proposed for deletion, at least 13 are assuredly from the SBU and have the correct license, one is not from the SBU (File:Oleksandr Kobets.jpg) and one is probably from the SBU without proof (but apparently, is part of a series provided by the SBU: same subject, same characters, same places). It is not respecting the copyright of Ukrainian citizens to invoke a non-existent copyright on Ukrainian public domain files.
Christian28TMA (talk) 22:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You probably don't understand how the laws work. Even if the files are in the public domain, this does not mean that their author does not have copyright on them. He can simply allow their free use. And if the source (SSU) is indicated in the newspaper, this only indicates who had given these materials. These files may not be free. Just like some newspapers use photos of correspondents of other newspapers. Confirmation is required that a particular file has been published under a suitable free license. Kursant504 (talk) 07:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Kursant504 In short, at this point, we have your opinion and mine, which does not constitute a consensus. I suggest we leave it at that for now, until more people join the discussion. Once four or five contributors have shared their thoughts, we can see which way the balance tips.
Regards
Christian28TMA (talk) 12:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As you know, we already had a discussion about such fotos at Village pump/Copyright with much more users and still without any result... Kursant504 (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose SBU clearly released these files, also, daily news are in public domain in Ukraine. 罗放 (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: the ones from Facebook only. Kept the ones that had their sources fixed (and verified they are from the website). We'd need VRT permission for SSU's social media photos if they are not on the website itself. --Abzeronow (talk) 20:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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