Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Message to Scientology.ogv

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Image:Message_to_Scientology.ogv

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Outside project scope. -Nard the Bard 00:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that in scope, because Commons is not YouTube! If you want to post what you think you can use youtube instead. Thats what it was made for! However, if it's in use keep it. "Could be used" is no reason to keep it. --D-Kuru (talk) 02:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was not the poster on YouTube, someone else was. I posted it to here, with the original source of YouTube, with release obtained to public domain by copyright holder, and verified through OTRS. As stated by Jayvdb (talk · contribs) below, this most obviously satisfies COM:SCOPE, most notably Commons:Scope#File_in_use_in_another_Wikimedia_project, and therefore should be a Speedy Keep. Cirt (talk) 02:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it in use? Just "Yes" or "No". Not more than two/three letters --D-Kuru (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Cirt (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Kanonkas(talk) 13:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Message_to_Scientology.ogv

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Although they can make a PD claim on the message itself, there is no evidence of clearance for the video footage or the music (the music I know for a fact, is from Newgrounds, and is CC-BY-SA-NC) ViperSnake151 (talk) 00:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep - Cirt said it well. It's been released into the PD. - Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I think it is quite astonishing and rather disappointing how these concerns have been simply brushed aside by some. I don't want this work to be deleted either but that doesn't mean I ignore copyright issues. The three Keep votes by Cirt, DragonFire1024, and Anonymous Dissident, with all due respect, are pretty worthless since none really address the concerns that have been raised instead resorting to "its PD" and "its in use", neither of which really means anything. Sure, we've got an OTRS ticket for this which I've read and seems fine on the face of it but it doesn't change the fact that no one can release content under a free license which they don't have the right to. It does sound like we need to investigate the source of the music further. If, at that point it is determined not to be under a free licence then we don't need to bother considering the video footage since the video will have to be deleted. Adambro (talk) 08:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete Well, having reviewed this video and the track The Rise of Satan by kingj4life3, my conclusion is that this video features that track, albeit slowed down. Therefore, unless the individual who asserts that they are the creator of this video in the OTRS ticket is also the user on newgrounds.com then it would seem that they can't release this video as public domain since the track is Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike. As Cirt was involved in dealing with the OTRS ticket, perhaps he might be in the best position to see if this can be resolved. If the use of the track is indeed a copyright violation then I would assume the possibility of the video footage also being would be increased. Adambro (talk) 11:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Striking my delete vote in light of the confirmation that the music and video footage are freely licensed. Adambro (talk) 20:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment - I am attempting to get in touch further with the creator of the video for some additional information and clarification. Will post here when I hear back more. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 04:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The creator of the video states he got the audio component from www.archive.org, but does not know specifically more than that. Cirt (talk) 11:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I am now in receipt of a couple emails back from kingj4life3, who is agreeable to release the audio by a CC-BY-SA free-use license. I am just trying to get more specific wording so it is crystal clear, and then I will forward this correspondence on to OTRS for confirmation. Cirt (talk) 18:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the update Cirt. Do we have any clarification of the licensing status of the video footage? Cheers. Adambro (talk) 21:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The video is called "Timelapse Clouds Compilation" by brownpau (see this post from hownow.brownpau.com 29 February 2008), and in this post from 23 May 2008, he states: Some of you will remember from this entry that I once made a series of timelapse videos of clouds above my apartment and let it out into the wild -- into the public domain for all intents and purposes -- where it later gained notoriety as the satirically ominous "Anonymous Message to Scientology," ... - and in the prior post he states I uploaded the video to Google, left it open to saving and embedding for anyone who might want the clouds for something, and pretty much forgot about it, neglecting to even post it to my videolog. More than a year later, reading about Project Chanology, (though I'm not much of a suppressive myself beyond the occasional link and snarky comment) I found a video by Anonymous* which, I'm flattered to say, used my cloud time lapses as a dark, sinister backdrop: - so it would appear from these statements that the creator of the video is agreeable for its use, already knows it is specifically being used in the Anonymous/Scientology video, and has specifically used the phrasing "public domain" in his own description of releasing the video for public usage. Cirt (talk) 09:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Even more specifically, in his account at Vimeo of the same video, he states the following: This video is released to the public domain. -- Cirt (talk) 09:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Now that the concerns raised by the nominator have been addressed. If any further concerns arise then please start a new deletion request. Adambro (talk) 20:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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