Commons:Deletion requests/G8 images

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G8 images

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Delete © MOFA. All Japanese Government contents has not a public domain or order licenses. --Christopher Longo (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RESPONSE
These official photos were made available for downloading by the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA), and the link on each page quite plainly demonstrates. MOFA requested advance registration. The registration form clearly indicated that the downloaded photos were for Wikipedia use, and MOFA approved it.
It is not inconsequential that these photos have been posted as part of the article which is featured on the main page of the English Wikipedia today -- "In the news" (January 8, 2008). A not-inconsiderable amount of work went into pre-planning, downloading, and then creating a context in which these images are presented.
Christopher Longo's one-line complaint, such as it is, articulates no specific objections to which a competent response can be directed. Whatever it is which vexes him may seem obvious to him or to someone else; but frankly, I don't understand. Perhaps if the problem were explained more fully in different words, I would be able to reply or explain or engage in argument in some way ....
I'm also wondering this: Why doesn't the casual complaint-maker bear any burden of proof or persuasion in this venue?
In contrast, the information provided along with the upload would seem at least minimally straightforward and complete. Without more, this appears to be an unhelpful exercise in that the too-terse complaint provides no foundation for the kind of dialogue which would help anyone understand how to avert similar misunderstandings in the future.
As you may know, the en:34th G8 summit will produce one further day of official photos. With this "dispute" (or whatever-it-is) unresolved, I'm reluctant to invest the further time involved in uploading additional images which will enhance the usefulness of article about this event.
When this task is completed, my plan had been to upload relevant MOFA images to accompany articles about the four Tokyo International Conference on African Development and the en:Hideyo Noguchi Africa Prize which was first conferred in June 2008.
Most of the additional images would have come from MOFA; but I suppose in due course, I would have sought additional images from the en:London School of Tropical Medicine and from the en:University of Nairobi or the Kenyan government. I would want to avoid the necessity for defending these additional digitized images from similarly difficult-to-parse and difficult-to-evaluate deletion threats. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 00:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Images are copyrighted, watermarked and most are very low res. Bidgee (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Comment Is there an ORTS ticket with the details of the permission ? - can you link to a page granting permission. FYI - "wikipedia only" permission is not enough. Without evidence of permission being granted then these will have to be deleted. Megapixie (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The copyright note "Copyright© : Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan" is even on each single photo's page (when you click on a photo).
@Ooperhoofd, therefore I'm wondering why you wrote "The copyright holder of this file -- the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs -- allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted." Did you get a indivual permission from the J-MOFA? That might not be impossible, but we need the evidence (aka OTRS ticket).--Túrelio (talk) 06:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I have drafted and sent the following letter to the Secretariat for the G8 Summit, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) -- g8summit-press@mofa.go.jp. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 00:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Subject: 34th G8 Summit -- official photos, permission for use in Wikipedia context

Dear Sir or Madam:

It seems that I need to apply for explicit permission to make use of the work of the official photographer of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. upload images official

The English version of Wikipedia currently includes a limited number of official photos from previous G8 summits. I had thought that by registering with MOFA for access to the "Summit Photo" page, I was complying with your minimal requirement; and indeed, your records will show that accredited access was duly granted.

However, my colleagues at Wikicommons tell me that it is a crucial that I obtain some evidence of MOFA's express permission to post these photos in a Wikipedia context. Without that requisite demonstration of express permission, the status of any official photo from Tōyako must be considered unusable.

In order to better understand my seeming error, I re-visited the other articles about G8 summits. In this review, I gave special attention to the documentation accompanying the G8 photos. As you can see below, in each case, I was able to locate an express statement -- in English, in French, and in German -- concerning the prospective use of these official photographs.

In this context, the following statement from the official Hokkaido summit web site would seem insufficient: The official photographer of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be the Host Photographer of the Summit. All major events except bilateral meetings will be photographed by the Host Photographer. Photographs taken by the Host Photographer (Summit Photos) can be viewed and downloaded from the "Summit Photo" page. (Downloading service is for media usage. A password is required to download photos.)

Could you direct me to an online set of explicit statements similar to what has been incorporated in the French web site for the 29th G8 summit at Évian-les-Bains. Alternatively, will you please prepare some kind of permission statement which might resolve the impasse I now confront. These are the questioned photos I have already uploaded to Wikicommons:

Thank you for your attention to this unwanted problem. If my writing has not been clear enough, I hope the following will clarify any questions you may have.

If necessary, please be assured that I am ready to work with you in resolving any related issues which may arise from this inquiry.

Sincerely,


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ENGLISH Information using official photographs from the U.S. Department of State - [1]

33rd G8 summit - [2] Photo: G8 leaders in a group, Heiligendamm, 7 June 2007 - Image:33rdG8Leaders.jpg

  • Use authorized by statement: This work is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the US Code.

32nd G8 summit - [3] Photo: G8 leaders in a group, Saint Petersburg, 16 July 2006 - Image:060716 bush leaders orig.jpg

  • Use authorized by statement: This image is a work of a United States Department of State employee, taken or made during the course of an employee's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain per 17 U.S.C. § 101 and § 105.

31st G8 summit - [4] Photo: Blair speaks as G8 summit attendees stand behind him, 7 July 2005 - Image:Blair G8 July7th05.jpg

  • Use authorized by statement: This image is a work of an employee of the Executive Office of the President of the United States, taken or made during the course of the person's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain.

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FRENCH Information about using official photographs from the 2003 Évian summit - [5]:

Crédits photographiques -- Les photos présentes sur ce site proviennent des sources suivantes:

1. Service photographique de la Présidence de la République (la reproduction des photos est autorisée sous réserve de la mention de la source et de l'auteur). 2. Service photographique des Archives Nationales (la reproduction des photos est autorisée sous réserve de la mention « cliché atelier de photographie du Centre Historique des Archives Nationales »).

3. Service photographique du ministère des Affaires étrangères. Photographies de F. de La Mure (la reproduction des photos est autorisée sous réserve de la mention « Ministère des Affaires étrangères – Service photographique »).

4. Service photographique de la Ville d'Evian (la reproduction des photos n'est pas autorisée, la publication sur ce site résultant d'un accord avec la Ville d'Evian).

27th G8 Summit - [6] Photo: G8 leaders in a group, Genoa, 20 July 2001 - Image:G8-genes-2001-02.jpg

  • Use authorized by the French « Service photographique de la Présidence de la République » ... (see above)

'26th G8 summit - [7] Photo: G8 leaders in a group, Okinawa, 22 July 2000 [8]

  • Use authorized by the French « Service photographique de la Présidence de la République » ... (see above)

21st G7 summit - [9] Photo: G7 leaders in a group, Halifax, 15 June 1995 - [10]

  • Use authorized by the French « Service photographique des Archives Nationales » ... (see above)

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GERMAN Information about using photographs from the 1999 Köln/Cologne summit - [11]

25th G8 Summit - Image:G8-Staatschefs im Römisch-Germanischen Museum.jpg Photo: G8 leaders working session, Köln/Cologne, 18 June 1999 - Image:G8-Staatschefs im Römisch-Germanischen Museum.jpg

  • Use authorized by statement: Rechtefrei. Die Fotos des KölnBild-Archiv sind für die journalistische Nutzung freigegeben. Die digitale Bearbeitung darf das Material nicht entstellen oder in irgendeiner Weise die geistigen oder persönlichen Interessen der Urheber an dem Material gefährden. Der Name der jeweiligen Fotografin / des Fotografen sowie der Zusatz "Stadt Köln" sind in der Veröffentlichung zu nennen.
No Response from Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) on July 10th
As you may know, the en:34th G8 summit has ended. I sent the above letter to the Secretariat for the Summit; and that may not have been the best e-address to have contacted.
Túrelio suggested that the complicated form of the letter itself presents problems, because its wording is simply too difficult to parse. He suggests sending another, more simply worded e-mail inquiry. Of course I agree about the text of that letter -- but in this unique forum, it does at least demonstrate that I am actively trying to grapple with what needs to be done; and the letter accurately illustrates that this whole process is neither simple nor easy.
I will draft and send another more simply written letter of inquiry, as Túrelio has encouraged me to do.
It would have been better if this now-massive inconvenience could have been averted, but not one better-informed critic (other than Túrelio) is offering suggestions about a better plan of attack. More importantly, it seems reasonable to ask what I could have done, or to whom I could have turned in advance so that there would have been no cause for complaints or criticisms or questions? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PERMISSION FOR USE CERTIFIED BY JAPAN'S MOFA
from g8summit-press@mofa.go.jp to [Ooperhoofd's e-address deleted] date Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:33 AM subject Re: 34th G8 Summit -- official photos, permission for use in Wikipedia context mailed-by mofa.go.jp

Reply


Mr. ... [Ooperhoofd],

Thank you very much for your e-mail. There is no problem you use summit photos in Wikipedia as you do now, which "author" and "permission" are put down on each photo. We do not set an online set of statements concerning the prospective use of summit photos.

Regards, Secretariat for the G8 Summit Ministry of Foreign Affairs


重要度 : 普通 発信元 : - <Ooperhoofd's e-address deleted> 日付 : 2008/07/10 06:13:23 宛先 : g8summit-press

件名 : 34th G8 Summit -- official photos, permission for use in Wikipedia context

Best thing to do is maybe forward it onto en:Wikipedia:OTRS. Bidgee (talk) 14:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Further follow-up:
As suggested by Bidgee, I re-visited en:Wikipedia:OTRS; and I did send e-mail follow-up to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 17:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Limbo

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This project or question or dispute or whatever-it-is seems to be in limbo. No response has been forthcoming from OTRS. What, if anything, should I be doing now? Should I re-submit? I assume that a confirmation letter was sent to MOFA and whoever received it didn't quite know what to do with it? What, if anything, should I be doing now? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still no follow-up? What, if anything, should I be doing differently? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 14:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I really wish they would remove this annoying red tag. I just happened apon it. Ooperhoofd wow! you have really done a great job against this... this... person on the internet casting aspersions at your image. Thanks for the good work! 67.220.13.184 00:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am afraid, that this permission might not be sufficient for OTRS to give green light for keeping these images. Once again they only agree to use the images on Wikimedia and do not agree to a free license. It would probably be better, if could ask them for a specific license. You might also try to contact an OTRS team member (e.g. on chat) to inquire whether they have already processed your mail and are now already negotiating about the license. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 20:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Maxim(talk) 21:16, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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